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re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:19 pm to LSU2ALA
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:19 pm to LSU2ALA
quote:Trump loyalists have a blind spot here. They love the guy, and they just cannot grasp the notion that the Trump-love is not evenly-distributed throughout the population.
Incidentally, this is the reason the GOP should run from Trump in 2024. He turns out the less committed voters, and that will get the GOP smoked
quote:There is no doubt in my mind that Voter ID has a disproportionate impact on lazy and stupid people, so I have no problem with it.
the left does it as well by digging in their heels on ID requirements which really should not be a big deal and could be addressed if both parties worked together. They act like it’s a civil rights issue.
It is hilarious watching pols on both sides of the issue do their posturing. For the most part, THEY understand the realpolitik of the issue and further understand that their arguments are nothing more than rhetoric for the masses. It is almost as much fun watching the pols as it is watching the gullible masses who buy what the pols are selling.
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Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:22 pm to LSU2ALA
Saying and doing whatever you can to win is exactly what I described. We have a voter problem in this country and the root cause comes from institutions controlled by one party. Education being the most impactful of the many.
I don’t really care to stop it if this is what people want so don’t pretend Iike I am. Upholding a decentralized government is all I really care about at this point. My standard of living will be fine. Can’t say the same for others but like I said it’s what the people want.
I don’t really care to stop it if this is what people want so don’t pretend Iike I am. Upholding a decentralized government is all I really care about at this point. My standard of living will be fine. Can’t say the same for others but like I said it’s what the people want.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 3:53 pm to cajunangelle
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Another article from tCTH said that Lake's lawyers did nothing to call out the perjury on the stand.
Thanks. I read the opinion and this seems to confirm the need for direct evidence of criminal intent which, as we see, is impossible absent a confession.
Even perjury is not evidence of intent.
Not sure I agree with the chain of custody issue but we shall see what the appellate court does
Posted on 12/26/22 at 4:06 pm to LSU2ALA
quote:
Doesn’t that mean there is a problem with your message then? If your best bet is to have fewer people voting, that’s a bad strategy to have.
Absolutely not!
The issue is progressive/Marxist indoctrination through our educational system and mass media….it’s not the message, it’s trying to get the America First message out to the people by overcoming those in academia and mass media who want to snuff the message of personal responsibility and accountability.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 4:21 pm to lsunurse
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You do realize that in several counties in AZ, there is no tabulator on site? It’s been standard for several years. So every ballot goes into a drop box to be counted at another site.
...and you wonder why people don't trust Arizona elections.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 4:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The only way to get the security you want is to remove anonymity and link every ballot to a particular voter
This is completely false.
Removing anonymity and linking ballots to voters would be a definitive way of creating an auditable system, but it's not the only way.
Checks and balances, decentralized tabulation to validate centralized tabulation, manual tabulation to validate automated tabulation, independence, strong chain of custody, precinct voting, etc. are all ways of making this current system work well...unfortunately, you can see that Arizona has gone the opposite direction in every one of those ways.
Plus, there are other ways of adding increased validity without breeching anonymity.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 4:45 pm to oklahogjr
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What lack of change tracking?
Would like to understand the specific processes of concern here. Walk us through how it's deficient
There was just testimony that confirmed that low level admins were able to change a setting that made ballots print in a format that didn't match the ballot definition...after the election started and was underway.
That's as fundamental of a flaw as one can imagine.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 4:46 pm to LSU2ALA
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If you are saying they bought their votes, then there are laws to take care of that. Why are you trying to introduce new ones that address this?
No. I’m not saying bought. I’m saying used or manipulated otherwise disinterested people. They no more consent to if their candidate they “voted”
for than I do to my IPhone software update terms of service. I mean technically i could chose not to accept whatever random shite they put in there - but I just check the box so it will go away and I can move on with my day.
I continue to believe the only way we rid ourselves of this cancer is if Trump does it at MAGA rallies and places drop boxes in his hotels.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 4:52 pm to moneyg
It’s so annoying when people make these dumb arguments like ensuring anonymity. I’m sure the person who responded to you has no problem with ballot harvesting.
We could ensure anonymity by reconciling the number of voters who signed in at their polling place with the number of votes cast at the polling place.
We make sure the actual vote is what the voters intended by counting completed paper ballots.
The further away in time and geography from an Election Day polling place, the greater the chance of frickery. There is no substitute for in person voting. None.
We could ensure anonymity by reconciling the number of voters who signed in at their polling place with the number of votes cast at the polling place.
We make sure the actual vote is what the voters intended by counting completed paper ballots.
The further away in time and geography from an Election Day polling place, the greater the chance of frickery. There is no substitute for in person voting. None.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 4:59 pm to Wednesday
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We could ensure anonymity by reconciling the number of voters who signed in at their polling place with the number of votes cast at the polling place.
I think this is done, or is here in Maricopa County.
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We make sure the actual vote is what the voters intended by counting completed paper ballots.
We can log onto the SOS website and see whether a vote we scanned/submitted was counted. It doesn't show our actual vote though, and I wondered why when I checked this past November. You need 2 of DOB, SSN and address (if memory serves), so I don't think it can be an anonymity issue. And it can't be much of a technology challenge for me to log on and see that a) my voted was tabulated and b) accurately.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:00 pm to Wednesday
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We could ensure anonymity by reconciling the number of voters who signed in at their polling place with the number of votes cast at the polling place.
...assuming strong chain of custody, seals on ballot batches etc.
You also need to be able to define a polling place demographically so that data anomalies can be identified and found.
You may have noticed that Maricopa had none of this.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:05 pm to moneyg
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You may have noticed that Maricopa had none of this.
Because we can vote anywhere we want. We're not limited to a voting center, precinct, city or district.
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...assuming strong chain of custody, seals on ballot batches etc.
There are chain of custody issues, and I'm thinking not just in MC. I bet you'll find similar practices across the country. In terms of KL's lawsuit, however, that Plaintiffs acknowledged that all ballot handling, transposing, tabulating was done in the presence of a representative of the Rep party (and Dem) took it off the table where the prospect of a revote was concerned.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:13 pm to David_DJS
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Because we can vote anywhere we want. We're not limited to a voting center, precinct, city or district.
I know. It's meant to prevent identifying voting deviations. Almost everything Arizona has done has muddied the waters which makes it easier to pull off election fraud.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:15 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:There is NOTHING wrong with our message!***quote:Absolutely not! The issue is progressive/Marxist indoctrination through our educational system and mass media….it’s not the message, it’s trying to get the America First message out to the people by overcoming those in academia and mass media who want to snuff the message of personal responsibility and accountability.
Doesn’t that mean there is a problem with your message then? If your best bet is to have fewer people voting, that’s a bad strategy to have.
***except that the majority of the country does not like it.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:18 pm to moneyg
quote:^^^wants duplicate expensive equipment placed at precincts were a dozen people vote.
You do realize that in several counties in AZ, there is no tabulator on site? It’s been standard for several years. So every ballot goes into a drop box to be counted at another site. ...quote:
and you wonder why people don't trust Arizona elections
The fiscally-responsible party!
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:18 pm to moneyg
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I know. It's meant to prevent identifying voting deviations. Almost everything Arizona has done has muddied the waters which makes it easier to pull off election fraud.
In 2016 there were legit 5 hour long lines. People raised hell about that, and how requiring you to vote in a specific precinct meant everyone showing up at the polls early and late, because unless they worked close to home, they couldn't vote during the day. It was after all this heat that they went with the voter center model where we could vote anywhere. They also increased the number of places you could cast a vote.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:19 pm to David_DJS
quote:You are ruining the pity party.
We could ensure anonymity by reconciling the number of voters who signed in at their polling place with the number of votes cast at the polling place.quote:
I think this is done, or is here in Maricopa County.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:25 pm to David_DJS
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In 2016 there were legit 5 hour long lines.
That's incompetence or intentional.
quote:
People raised hell about that, and how requiring you to vote in a specific precinct meant everyone showing up at the polls early and late, because unless they worked close to home, they couldn't vote during the day. It was after all this heat that they went with the voter center model where we could vote anywhere. They also increased the number of places you could cast a vote.
Anything that removes the ability to demographically categorize polling places is a lost control on voter fraud. Your justification doesn't change that.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:25 pm to LSU2ALA
quote:
those are already going to be crimes.
And essentially unenforceable, which is why we need to reduce the opportunity for this sort of illegal activity to happen.
quote:
Adding more laws on top of that makes me think you want to lower voter turnout as that helps your particular candidates.
Being against laws that make illegal activity more difficult makes me think you’re perfectly happy with these laws being broken because it helps your candidates. Dems have a hard time winning without harvesting from the lazy and disinterested, because you have large numbers of them that love your policies.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 5:26 pm to moneyg
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That's incompetence or intentional.
It could also be too few voting centers and people working too far from their precincts. Most of the outrageously long lines, by the way, were in the poorer areas of metro-Phoenix.
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Anything that removes the ability to demographically categorize polling places is a lost control on voter fraud. Your justification doesn't change that.
So I'm clear what you're suggesting, please explain the control that's lost.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 5:28 pm
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