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re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal
Posted on 12/25/22 at 2:30 pm to dafif
Posted on 12/25/22 at 2:30 pm to dafif
quote:Were these cases not cited in the parties' briefing?
still was able to find all the case law from the 1800s to back up his position.
Did their briefing schedule not require them to file their motions and briefs a number of days before the trial?
Would a diligent judge not have read the briefing before the trial, in order to be ready to understand and interpret the evidence which was about to be presented to him?
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Posted on 12/25/22 at 2:43 pm to David_DJS
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If voter frustration leading to disenfranchisement was how KL lost an election she should have won, her legal team did a shitty job off establishing that.
sigh
Posted on 12/25/22 at 3:33 pm to jlc05
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And somewhere along the line, will you have access to everything necessary to explain the specifics?
I think I’ve addressed the specifics of the only matter that means anything regarding the prospects of a revote. What other specifics do you want explained?
Posted on 12/25/22 at 3:34 pm to omegaman66
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sigh
Didn’t go far, but at least you tried?
Posted on 12/25/22 at 3:49 pm to Bulldogblitz
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So the best way to campaign is to hide, avoid debates, and refuse to answer any questions....oh, and make sure the media only writes puff pieces about your dodging.
If your opponent is coming across like a bully, yeah. I know people on here love to say “muh feelings” and the like. For a percentage of the population, they care about that. You have to have that percentage to win. Being antagonistic like Lake isn’t going to cut it.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 3:52 pm to LSU2ALA
Hiding doesn’t cut it. Cowards hide.
Biden
Hobbs
Fetterman
Too many dems
Biden
Hobbs
Fetterman
Too many dems
Posted on 12/25/22 at 4:20 pm to omegaman66
Yep
Posted on 12/25/22 at 4:26 pm to mtntiger
She is underqualified. Trump supported her. She's burnt her chance.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 4:40 pm to roadGator
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Hiding doesn’t cut it. Cowards hide. Biden Hobbs Fetterman Too many dems
If you don’t present an appealing option to punish your opponent for not engaging with you, then, yes, it does cut it. The point of an election is not to score points or own the other team, as satisfying as that may be. The point is to win. The strategy is working for the Democrats. The GOP has to present options that bring the Democrats out. That is going to take being a candidate that appeals to the middle. Like it or not, they have to have them. They can adjust or keep losing. Those are the options.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 4:44 pm to LSU2ALA
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This is simply not true. Read the opinion. The judge says Lake’s own witness admits the county has the records. She just hadn’t seen them yet.
The Lake attorney’s requested them, they had a voicemail that said they didn’t exist, the county said “we have them” but they didn’t produce them and the judge didn’t order them to.
Somehow he knows they absolutely exist but no one has produced them.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 4:53 pm to eitek1
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Somehow he knows they absolutely exist but no one has produced them.
He's just going by what KL's own witness testified to.
Ms. Honey agreed during cross examination that, while she has not received the Maricopa County Delivery Receipt forms –she knows that these forms do, in fact, exist.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 5:23 pm to dafif
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I have just started reading the opinion. What I find interesting and perplexing is that this judge ordered an immediate 2 day trial and then issued the opinion within a day and yet was able to review hundreds of affidavits and the testimony and the exhibits and still was able to find all the case law from the 1800s to back up his position. And that’s just the beginning.
This^^
He punted while acting like he did his job.
fricking coward! We all knew this was going to happen.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 5:27 pm to loogaroo
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He punted while acting like he did his job. fricking coward! We all knew this was going to happen.
Read his opinion. What part do you disagree with? Don’t just say he punted and is a coward. Say where the reasoning in his opinion is wrong.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 5:28 pm to BigoBoys
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She is underqualified. Trump supported her. She's burnt her chance.
Who? Lake? Oh yeah, Lake was a terrible candidate, now that Hobbs gal is MENSA level intelligent and has the personality of a saguaro cactus…..lol!
Posted on 12/25/22 at 5:30 pm to loogaroo
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He punted while acting like he did his job.
fricking coward! We all knew this was going to happen.
I'll ask again - how should he have handled it? Be as specific as you can.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 5:54 pm to David_DJS
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I'll ask again - how should he have handled it? Be as specific as you can.
I just asked the very same thing. The judge’s reasoning was excellent. If someone says he should have ruled differently, then they need to address how via that opinion.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 6:04 pm to LSU2ALA
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There are consequences. It’s called voting out the people in power and put more competent people in. Do you say if there is ever any issue at all, no matter how small, then you redo the election? If not, what is your threshold? Saying it has to be enough to impact the result seems a reasonable threshold. What do you propose?
Everything except a full audit would result in an inconclusive findings. Extrapolation, estimation, statistical analysis and polling would all be rejected on the basis of speculation. All the judicial branch has to avoid is a full scale audit and they will always be able to side with the CIA. So there will never be a successful challenge. The media, politicians, chamber of commerce and DOJ will always support them.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 6:36 pm to David_DJS
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This post was edited on 12/25/22 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 12/25/22 at 6:44 pm to AggieHank86
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Were these cases not cited in the parties' briefing?
I’m not sure where you practice (not at all) and your ability to provide this information but, unless your maybe skadden, with 1000 attorneys, it is unlikely that a lawsuit, have an immediate hearing on Monday and start a trial that Wednesday and Thursday and do a bench brief.
Further, as I read the opinion, it is obvious that they only way to win it was to have a specific person with actual knowledge admit to the cheating … and… that person would also need to withstand any cross examination .
A virtual impossibility absent an admission by Hobbs.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 6:47 pm to LSU2ALA
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Read his opinion. What part do you disagree
See my post above, unless a person admits to doing the act, according to the judge in the opinion, there will never be clear and convincing evidence
ETA: not sure why the judge would not order the state/ maricopa to produce actual compliance with chain of custody by Monday. Then we would have that answer
This post was edited on 12/25/22 at 6:50 pm
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