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Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:05 pm to lsunurse
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I ain’t reading that whole wall of text
Keep up with the name calling of someone who dares to have a difference of opinion though, y’all resort to it every single time on this board.
Doesn’t matter to me though…pitch all the hissy name calling fits y’all want….Kari Lake will still NOT be my Governor
Merry Christmas
Cheers to that
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:17 pm to dafif
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I’m not sure where you practice (not at all) and your ability to provide this information but, unless your maybe skadden, with 1000 attorneys, it is unlikely that a lawsuit, have an immediate hearing on Monday and start a trial that Wednesday and Thursday and do a bench brief.
I've been paid to do a 14 page brief for a TRO in 24 hours and I'm one attorney. 5-10 attorneys could easily produce a 20-page pretrial brief in that timeframe. You don't need "1000".
I imagine the attorneys fees request will be 6-figures, too. That's a group working.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:18 pm to dafif
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ETA: not sure why the judge would not order the state/ maricopa to produce actual compliance with chain of custody by Monday
Does the judge even have this power?
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:19 pm to roadGator
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You support cowards. I get it.
Say whatever you want. It doesn’t change the correctness of my analysis. Put forward candidates that don’t actively turn off the middle, and you will draw the Democrats out. Insist on candidates who will “own the libs” and continue to lose.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:20 pm to roadGator
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You support cowards. I get it.
Now THIS is an emotional post
Nice melt
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I've been paid to do a 14 page brief for a TRO in 24 hour
I can see that. Could you also prepare all the witnesses for your case l, prepare their direct exam … especially to cover the elements . Then prepare all your cross exams. All this in one day
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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quote:ETA: not sure why the judge would not order the state/ maricopa to produce actual compliance with chain of custody by Monday
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Does the judge even have this power?
The judge said in his opinion that the presumption under state law is that the election was properly conducted. It is not the county’s job to go in and prove their work in other words. The plaintiff must present evidence to show they did not do it correctly. If they do, then the state will need to refute. Given all of that, I don’t see why this judge is going to get into an FOIA request. I’m sure there is a timeline to respond to such a request. Do we even know if that’s passed?
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:24 pm to dafif
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Could you also prepare all the witnesses for your case l, prepare their direct exam … especially to cover the elements . Then prepare all your cross exams. All this in one day
No but I said a team of 5-10 could.
It's not like this lawsuit wasn't anticipated and the issues weren't litigated 2 years ago. I'm sure the bulk of their case was ready pre-lititgation.
This post was edited on 12/25/22 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Does the judge even have this power?
I have seen circuit court judges order record production in cases . They admitted that a record request was made and not provided. It appears to an element of their case.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No but I said a team of 5-10 could.
Maybe if all star trial attorneys!
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:33 pm to ArizonaTiger97
Hi NurseKaren's alter.
How are you doing? Did you get a new Peloton from Santa? The kind that monitors if next door Karen is ahead of you in workouts?
Do you have the same rabid Nurse views on covid that NurseKaren had?
We are a bunch of hick, hillbilly, rednecks, why do you post to such pond scum hillbillies? You are way above all in political knowledge from CNN.
Stick to being a mean bitter girl on the OT: and get another Ginger Kitty banned with your Karen hissy fit. Hurry go post something mean on the OT and then whine for months you are a victim that was name-called.
Tell NurseKaren to suck it dissing on Wednesday. NurseKaren is CNN talking points.
What policies did Dobson have for Mike Pence to endorse her? What does Katie Hobbs plan to do about the border, or fixing voting for a month in AZ until the democrats win?
We are a bunch of hick, hillbilly, rednecks, why do you post to such pond scum hillbillies? You are way above all in political knowledge from CNN.
Stick to being a mean bitter girl on the OT: and get another Ginger Kitty banned with your Karen hissy fit. Hurry go post something mean on the OT and then whine for months you are a victim that was name-called.
Tell NurseKaren to suck it dissing on Wednesday. NurseKaren is CNN talking points.
What policies did Dobson have for Mike Pence to endorse her? What does Katie Hobbs plan to do about the border, or fixing voting for a month in AZ until the democrats win?
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:42 pm to LSU2ALA
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Put forward candidates that don’t actively turn off the middle, and you will draw the Democrats out. Insist on candidates who will “own the libs” and continue to lose.
How do you reconcile Trump's '16 win with this claim? Everything Trump advanced then has only been multiplied and magnified since.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 7:43 pm to dafif
More on the ruling LINK
Another article from tCTH said that Lake's lawyers did nothing to call out the perjury on the stand. Do lawyers here think that the perjury should have stood alone for the Judge to plainly see?
Or that the lawyers job was to call it out in the spur of the moment as it happened?
Another article from tCTH said that Lake's lawyers did nothing to call out the perjury on the stand. Do lawyers here think that the perjury should have stood alone for the Judge to plainly see?
Or that the lawyers job was to call it out in the spur of the moment as it happened?
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My own review of two days of testimony and court action is not optimistic toward Kari Lake’s challenge.
Yes, there is no doubt the election was intentionally screwed up by officials in Maricopa County who are transparently averse to the interests of Kari Lake. The bias and opposition expressed by the election officials is visible, palpable and substantive. These are activists within the county election system.
As a result, it’s clear the election officials did everything to influence or tilt the election outcome. Very clear. However, short of them taking the stand, taking an oath, and stating they cheated and broke the law, the value of plausible deniability protects them. It’s almost impossible to prove election fraud and tampering without an admission by those who did the fraud and tampering.
Lake had a steep uphill climb, and unfortunately one of the larger weaknesses carried by all MAGA candidates (in a general sense) is the low quality of their lawyers. I know each candidate cannot say it themselves, and I am aware it is not the popular thing to say out loud, but the quality of the lawyer is critical when the election challenge issues finally reach the courtroom.
There is a big difference between filing motions, writing legal opinions, and being able to structure questions in real time with witnesses under oath. Lakes legal team is very competent on the written legal analysis, but inside the court, where telling your story and winning your arguments through the testimony of the witnesses becomes important, Lakes legal team was weak. The questions were worded with unnecessary complexity and often missed the core truths.
The biggest example of the weak courtroom skill came when co-Elections Director for Maricopa County Robert Scott Jarrett perjured himself on the witness stand. The Lake team completely missed the moment, fumbled, spoke in circles and did a terrible job pointing out the brutal nature of the falsehoods Jarrett delivered. The defense lawyers breathed a sigh of relief.
Court cases are about telling the story of the truth, and getting the truthful story told through the testimony of others is a skill. There is a reason why top-notch courtroom lawyers are paid a great deal of money; the client is purchasing a skillset only held by a small segment of lawyers. Mrs. Lake had adequate representation, but the legal team was not up to the challenge of telling a compelling story in court in a manner that could climb the legal mountain they faced.
LINK
This post was edited on 12/25/22 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 12/25/22 at 8:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
SFP has spoken, everyone pay attention.
You support avoiding debates too. Sad.
You support avoiding debates too. Sad.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 8:20 pm to LSU2ALA
What do you know about the middle? All the moderates/middle I know said they couldn’t vote for Biden due to him not being fit for office.
In case you haven’t been paying attention, you elected an old white racist with dementia.
In case you haven’t been paying attention, you elected an old white racist with dementia.
This post was edited on 12/25/22 at 8:41 pm
Posted on 12/25/22 at 8:25 pm to dafif
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I can see that. Could you also prepare all the witnesses for your case l, prepare their direct exam … especially to cover the elements . Then prepare all your cross exams. All this in one day
They’ve had since mid-November to prepare.
I’m not a lawyer, but tell me - when you file suit, shouldn’t you be prepared to prove what you suggest you’re going to prove? Otherwise, how can you make an argument “plaintiffs will show xxxxxx” and then need time to develop evidence to prove your case?
Posted on 12/25/22 at 8:29 pm to dafif
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ETA: not sure why the judge would not order the state/ maricopa to produce actual compliance with chain of custody by Monday
Are you asking about the documentation a plaintiff’s witness acknowledged existed on cross?
Posted on 12/25/22 at 8:37 pm to AlwysATgr
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How do you reconcile Trump's '16 win with this claim? Everything Trump advanced then has only been multiplied and magnified since.
That’s a good question. I think there are two reasons for that. First, he was new, and his style was new. It hadn’t worn on people would be my best guess. Secondly, he was running against Clinton who was really disliked herself. Trump was someone who was the more liked candidate.
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