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re: Breaking: Kari Lake loses trial to overturn Arizona Governor election - Vows to appeal
Posted on 12/25/22 at 8:49 pm to roadGator
Posted on 12/25/22 at 8:49 pm to roadGator
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What do you know about the middle? All the moderates/middle I know said they couldn’t vote for Biden due to him not being fit for office.
According to Pew Research, in 2016 Trump took independents who claim they don’t lean to either party, 43 - 42. Biden won it 52 - 43. The evidence shows more moderate voters went to Biden.
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Posted on 12/25/22 at 8:56 pm to Amblin
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So now another method to cheat, screw with machines and processes to get ballots to where you can control them and remove the opposition or change the votes
Along with denying signature match
Posted on 12/25/22 at 8:58 pm to LSU2ALA
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But it was false. Don’t be surprised when a candidate spews BS that the media calls it what it is.
Right. Those papers were just born on the short bus like you and came up an inch short
Posted on 12/25/22 at 9:11 pm to lsunurse
quote:Yes but in 4 years you'll still be fat and unloved, and at least half your "fur babies" will probably be dead.
Kari Lake will still NOT be my Governor
Posted on 12/25/22 at 11:54 pm to VolcanicTiger
Judges are cowards,they will NOT rule against a Democrat.
Look how Kavanaugh and ACB were harassed and intimidated by protestors at their homes which is a violation of Federal law.How many were arrested? None.
Judges have homes wives,children and they very much fear for their safety.Democrats have no reservations about making life miserable for judges and terrorizing their families.
Look how Kavanaugh and ACB were harassed and intimidated by protestors at their homes which is a violation of Federal law.How many were arrested? None.
Judges have homes wives,children and they very much fear for their safety.Democrats have no reservations about making life miserable for judges and terrorizing their families.
Posted on 12/25/22 at 11:59 pm to LSU2ALA
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That’s a good question. I think there are two reasons for that. First, he was new, and his style was new. It hadn’t worn on people would be my best guess. Secondly, he was running against Clinton who was really disliked herself. Trump was someone who was the more liked candidate.
Bingo on both counts.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 12:29 am to LSU2ALA
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. I think there are two reasons for that. First, he was new, and his style was new. It hadn’t worn on people would be my best guess. Secondly, he was running against Clinton who was really disliked herself. Trump was someone who was the more liked candidate.
For your second part, the 2016 pre-election polls do not corroborate this at all. Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide whether she was "liked" or not.
IMO, the answer lies closer to how media of all sorts have portrayed him as toxic divisive, an on. That wasn't done in'16 because the polls showed it wasn't necessary.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 12:31 am to Mickey Goldmill
Trump won in the midst of pussy grab, incessant and extensive claims and allegations of sexual harassment, assault and “serial philandering, not to mention the nonstop claims and outrage over racist this, tax returns that - and literally too much more hysteria in and around that time to even recall. Oh and mean tweets and gruff style.
Pretty much the same exact lineup of stuff that the official 2020 election narrative cites as the reasons that the “middle” and “suburban housewives” ran away from him. And when asked “how does one explain the purported 180 in the final result, despite very similar circumstances?” the go-to response seems to be “well, Hillary was just a bad candidate.” Which to me is surprising that folks would seriously throw out as primary reasoning.
Pretty much the same exact lineup of stuff that the official 2020 election narrative cites as the reasons that the “middle” and “suburban housewives” ran away from him. And when asked “how does one explain the purported 180 in the final result, despite very similar circumstances?” the go-to response seems to be “well, Hillary was just a bad candidate.” Which to me is surprising that folks would seriously throw out as primary reasoning.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 12:50 am to davyjones
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Trump won in the midst of pussy grab, incessant and extensive claims and allegations of sexual harassment, assault and “serial philandering, not to mention the nonstop claims and outrage over racist this, tax returns that - and literally too much more hysteria in and around that time to even recall. Oh and mean tweets and gruff style. Pretty much the same exact lineup of stuff that the official 2020 election narrative cites as the reasons that the “middle” and “suburban housewives” ran away from him. And when asked “how does one explain the purported 180 in the final result, despite very similar circumstances?” the go-to response seems to be “well, Hillary was just a bad candidate.” Which to me is surprising that folks would seriously throw out as primary reasoning.
Trump was no where near as toxic or divisive in 2016 as he was in 2020. Also, Biden was a much easier pill to swallow for a lot of voters than Hillary was.
Take me for example. I still thought Trump was entertaining back around 2016. I wasn’t disgusted with him yet, even with the mild scandals he had during that election. By time 2020 came, I couldn’t wait to vote against him. That was the same set of circumstances for millions of Americans.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 12:51 am to davyjones
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Pretty much the same exact lineup of stuff that the official 2020 election narrative cites as the reasons that the “middle” and “suburban housewives” ran away from him. And when asked “how does one explain the purported 180 in the final result, despite very similar circumstances?” the go-to response seems to be “well, Hillary was just a bad candidate.” Which to me is surprising that folks would seriously throw out as primary reasoning.
I always thought it was more the Dems strategy of wearing the American public out “with Trump” was effective and Trump actually played into it.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 1:16 am to David_DJS
Fair observation, both yours and Goldmill’s above you. I lament any perception that I objectively hold my opinion above any other. Mine was more of an observation although it may not have come across as such. But I do think it’s an interesting observation.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 1:25 am to davyjones
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But I do think it’s an interesting observation.
It is. And I think the next 2 years will be more interesting than the last 4-6. It’s felt for a while like something was going to pop, and with each month missing a “boom” the pressure just grows.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 8:39 am to Cobra Tate
I would love to see a trump Lake ticket as well. It'll be comic gold.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 8:42 am to boxcar willie
Which of their policies to you find the most humorous?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 8:54 am to BBONDS25
Not just humorous, but “comic gold.”
Which I would question inasmuch as I’d say “comedic gold” would be the proper verbiage there.
Which I would question inasmuch as I’d say “comedic gold” would be the proper verbiage there.
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:07 am to davyjones
Especially interesting because he is likely a Biden Harris supporter. I’d love to hear more about what makes him think it is so funny. Policy or something else? If something else, what?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:18 am to roadGator
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You support avoiding debates too. Sad.
Debates are worthless.
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I support intelligent strategy and non-emotional analysis of a scenario.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 9:19 am
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:19 am to roadGator
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All the moderates/middle I know said they couldn’t vote for Biden due to him not being fit for office.
I didn't vote for Biden
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In case you haven’t been paying attention, you elected an old white racist with dementia.
How did my single vote for Kanye in Louisiana elect Joe Biden?
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:21 am to AlwysATgr
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How do you reconcile Trump's '16 win with this claim?
Trump was likely a one-off, and analysis will likely show it had more to do with Hillary than Trump.
Nobody liked Hillary and she had been at war with Obama since the 2008 primaries and Democrats didn't forget.
*ETA: even if it was primarily Trump, every institution aligned with the Left made Trump, and anything associated with him, toxic to most Americans from 2017-2020. Fair or not, that's reality and elections happen in present reality.
This post was edited on 12/26/22 at 9:22 am
Posted on 12/26/22 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
I’m not so sure about the analysis here. This is just my opinion, but it appears to me to be tailored to a built in bias against Trump. More direct to your assertions, I would just raise the point that Clinton wasn’t exactly down the list of Democrat hopefuls for the nomination……she won the nationwide primary.
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