re: Black pastor is handcuffed for watering his neighbor's flowers

Who calls the cops on people water flowers?

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I'm actually amazed that you come down on the side of gross incompetence by law enforcement. Are you ever right about anything?

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Contrarians refuse to agree even when they actually do.

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or you could explain why you disagree with someone exercising their 4th amendment rights.

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I don't, as I've said several times.

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You don't have to side with police to be opposed to the actions of the "pastor."

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ok

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Once the cops are involved, they HAVE to document who, what, when, where and why

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thats the thing, cops are supposed to do these things when they get involved, but the pastor had no obligation to assist the cops in their investigation.
they dont have to trump up fake obstruction charges against the man acting within his rights.

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His options - at that point, were to go home or go home and get his ID and come back

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cops options at that point -accept the fact they had no authority to demand ID, or say F it lets throw some charges at the man and open up ourselves and the jurisdiction to litigation because the pastor didnt lick boots.

Let me know when you have a point.

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A name...because criminals don't lie and give false names?

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Let’s just get this out in the open

Do you support citizens rights to not provide ID when they haven’t been accused/arrested or are not the driver in a motor vehicle stop?

Only a couple states are stop and ID and even then there’s a narrow interpretation which is constantly avoided by law enforcement

Pastor could have easily diffused the situation by complying. His attitude bit him.

The federal criminal statute that enforces Constitutional limits on conduct by law enforcement officers is 18 U.S.C. § 242. Section 242 provides in relevant part:

"Whoever, under color of any law, …willfully subjects any person…to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States [shall be guilty of a crime]."

Section 242 is intended to "protect all persons in the United States in their civil rights, and furnish the means of their vindication." Screws v. United States, 325 U.S. 91, 98 (1945) (quoting legislative history).

Failure to Intervene

An officer who purposefully allows a fellow officer to violate a victim's Constitutional rights may be prosecuted for failure to intervene to stop the Constitutional violation. To prosecute such an officer, the government must show that the defendant officer was aware of the Constitutional violation, had an opportunity to intervene, and chose not to do so. This charge is often appropriate for supervisory officers who observe uses of excessive force without stopping them, or who actively encourage uses of excessive force but do not directly participate in them.



Pretty serious. Stop an ID laws are unconstitutional and states that have them are asking to be sued.

One of the first thing’s an officer does is take an oath to uphold the Constitution. It is very serious when a person’s rights are violated. At no point in an officers daily routine, or career should they ever violate a citizen’s rights. That’s right, no citizen should ever have their rights violated by law enforcement.

Some rights violations are a felony, some states are stricter than others. Colorado & NM have banned the use of qualified immunity in state courts. Is crazy to me that any part of our society has immunity. This is the first step, get rid of qi, & let the money for law suits come from a fund, &/or insurance set aside, instead of out of tax payers pockets.

If the cops don’t pay a price for it, why the hell would they stop. They need a deterrent. The militarization of law enforcement in this country was a mistake. Most people are law abiding citizens. If a cop is scared, another line of work would most likely be the best thing.