re: Bill Maher gets blindsided as MTG tells him that Obamacare has crushed the middle class

It still bothers me that while congress voted it into law for all of us, it exempted themselves.

Blame that fricker John McCain who cast the deciding vote to keep ObamaCare. He didn’t do it because he believed in it. He did it to spite Trump.. frick that guy to hell and back.

Very true

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Just shows you how far gone MTG is now. The liberal guest cant believe he would ever say that he agrees with her on something

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They were both correct.

Look, I’m all in favor of stigmatizing illegals as causing health care premiums to go up, but that is not anywhere close to the major cost driver. Bill Maher was right when he said that Americans are getting less and less healthy, and it’s becoming more expensive to treat them. That is the major driver. The other is that we now expect the gainfully employed to pay for the health insurance of the shiftless parasites. Some of those are illegals, but most are red, white and blue American shitheads.

We are paying a fortune for rationed health care

Europe its "free" and rationed--come with higher taxes
but $20k for insurance is a tax as well

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As a business owner who covered employess
It was zooming up Under Bush- Obama- Trump- Biden and still going

It just is but I'm sure your victim of his oppression in your eyes

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It sure was going up fast under those previous Presidents, but it went ballistic after the ACA.

Limousine liberal is clueless on when healthcare premiums exploded.

Shocker

This point everyone seems to miss, except the guy sitting next to MTG, is that healthcare insurance isn't healthcare. Healthcare insurance, especially the ACA is a mask for the actual cost of healthcare.

When you subsidize something, you get more of it. The ACA doesn't subsidize healthcare, it subsidized the cost of healthcare. That money would be far better used to increase the amount of grants for medical and nursing school students (but the money would need to pass through the student, with the medical schools unable to ask if the student is getting assistance. This would feed the supply of medical professionals as the supply isn't coming even close to meeting the demand (and will get worse as Boomers continue needing more care).

Completely untrue and you are factually incorrect. Insurance usually does increase from year to year but it increased dramatically after the ACA and increased exponentially since so no you don’t know what you are talking about. I have dozens of hospital staff under me and have since 07’. I know precisely how much insurance rates have increased because I deal with overhouse on a daily basis complaining about operating costs

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Youre clueless

1) Illegals get free health care
2) They bring in infectious diseases that the US hasnt dealt with in forever. That drives costs up because citizens now have to access health care for these illnesses
3) Illegals have driven the need for urgent care centers, and the rules have changed to pay for them. You cant slam the ER with free care, and not expect the insured go unserved. So now youre staffing multiple UC centers in towns that used to have 1 maybe 2 ERs. Insurers are paying for that

Those costs are in the billions because there are 24M (reported) immigrants in the US

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Everything you typed there is correct, except…

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You’re clueless

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While all of that is true, it is still not the major driver, or even in the top two. You can fantasize all you want, but as Trump clears out the illegals, and gets rid of the extraneous social security numbers, we will still have unsustainable health care premiums. The illegals are a problem that should be addressed, but they are not THE problem.