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re: Big Bang theory wrong? Star older than Universe discovered - threat of ‘scientific crisis’
Posted on 8/8/19 at 12:09 am to yatesdog38
Posted on 8/8/19 at 12:09 am to yatesdog38
There may be other universes but there is no evidence for such. Even if they exist, the question remains, who or what caused them to come into existence? Did they cause themselves to come into existence? What exists that caused itself to come into existence?
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Posted on 8/8/19 at 12:24 am to SlapahoeTribe
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There are multiple theories about the non-existence of time. They have nothing to do with the belief of God or lack thereof.
No, there are theories about time being relative. The fact that you and I are having a conversation right now relies on before's and after's. You speak, I reply, then you reply, etc. No matter how you cut it time exists and posses just as much of an issue for theists as atheists. Throwing it out the window to make your issues easier to solve is laughable, I don't care which side of the fence you're on.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 12:30 am to Bmath
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What you are thinking of as time is simply a perception of the nervous system formed into a social construct for measuring various relationships. We associate 12 noon with the sun being at its highest point in the sky. The sun doesn’t make sure that it is there at 12, and the Earth doesn’t decide to rotate to the correct position at that time.
You don't know what I'm thinking.
The fact that the sun moves at all proves that time exists. Time is simply the change in matter. Change creates "befores" and "afters" which creates the 4th dimension (time).
For time to not exist you'd have to have the universe perfectly frozen, not even any conscious observers.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:20 am to Azkiger
"This reads like made up nonsense. First of all, how TF could we possibly know the iron content of a star 200 million light years away, and second, how could that lead to the conclusion that it is 14.5 billion years old? "
Spectroscope, shows how much of an element exist in a star.
Spectroscope, shows how much of an element exist in a star.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:39 am to AUFan2015
Is it really plausible to theoretically-suspect that 'before' the current Universe happened...that nothing 'before' that...happened?
Science bears witness that things are cyclical. It's no stretch to find anomalies given the factor of Infinity.
Science bears witness that things are cyclical. It's no stretch to find anomalies given the factor of Infinity.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:42 am to SantaFe
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Spectroscope, shows how much of an element exist in a star.
Yep, and Iron Content will clue you in on the age of the star.
Iron is the heaviest element that can be produced by living stars.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:46 am to dawgfan24348
quote:unless he's repeatedly revealed himself
proving he exists is virtually impossible
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:51 am to K9Buck
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Do you agree that something or someone has always existed and didn't need to be "created"?
I agree with that as its the only thing that makes any sense. The existence of the universe is a "brute fact" as philosophers would say. Nothing does not exist and never has.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:53 am to dawgfan24348
quote:it's been explained how it's not laughable so I'm not sure why you say that. The universe can't come from nothing of its own accord and that is a different subject than God being eternal/everlasting. The former is cosmological and the latter is philosophical
if creationists are going to laugh at the idea of "something from nothing" but then give that example for a God it's pretty laughable
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:55 am to SlapahoeTribe
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It’s easy once you accept that time doesn’t really exist.
Nonsense. Of course "time" exists. It's the fourth dimension.
Now, the nature of what we're calling a small effect of the overall process of "time" is probably outside of our ability to fully understand, certainly with today's technology and our current understanding of the universe.
In other words what we call "time" is a thing. The fact that we don't fully understand it doesn't mean it isn't there and operating on our reality.
For that matter, same goes for God.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:58 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I just literally cannot fathom
At least you admit this, as do I
I can't listen to anyone who won't admit that they are simply incapable of understanding everything, no matter their stance
Posted on 8/8/19 at 8:58 am to dawgfan24348
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My point being that if creationists are going to laugh at the idea of "something from nothing"
That is exactly the Creationist "theory". There was nothing, then something.
If anything, a timeless, infinite, constant universe is more consistent with atheistic theories of how things happened. Infinite time is a great resource to sandbox various theories.
But, a radical, dramatic action - the Big Bang - an infinite universe springing from a single point, or, subsequently, life from lifelessness both sort of imply or at least suggest some sort of initiating force. Once you make those initiating forces (catalysts, if you will) intentional or engineered, there is God the creator right there.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:04 am to Muleriderhog
quote:speaking of stupid statements. First, almost every human that has ever lived has been a theist so the vast majority of humanity disagrees with your statement. Second, what would be proof of God's existence to you? Here's where you respond with even more ignorant stupidity
there is literally no proof of a God
quote:prove it's fictional
a fictional story book
quote:old does not equal false. In fact, many people feel that's a testament to its truth
written 2000 years ago
quote:yet we can verify that the content has changed none. You know how right?
been through an unknown amount of translations
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let alone the crusades when it could have been/probably was completely rewritten
what in the world? Where did you hear this. It is rare when I hear something new on this topic but this one is a doozie. I swear you people must have learned about religion from a comic book quote:
Scientific theories are all backed by facts
yeah. Like phlogiston, aether and lavoisier's caloric. It appears you know nothing about science
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:50 am to AUFan2015
Aliens probably just mined all of the Iron in preparation for their invasion. How much Iron does it take to make 7.5 billion sets of shackles?
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:22 pm to Powerman
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This is a commonly uttered and very stupid phrase
meh, 2 years after youre dead and gone scientists could discover that all the dark space between astrological bodies is actually some form of undiscovered energy. And that energy is actually responsible for all the rules in the known universe (gravity, atmosphere, heat transfer, etc) . Which would absolutely change everything you have been led to believe at this point
But you won't get to alter your hypothesis at that point, unlike science does with every major discovery
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:29 pm to AUFan2015
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The Universe is thought to have popped into existence some 13.8 billion years ago
When did this 13.8 billion number become the standard?? I've heard it for decades but I remember back in the 50s the number was 20 billion.
Posted on 8/8/19 at 9:31 pm to ChineseBandit58
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When did this 13.8 billion number become the standard?
When cosmic background radiation was detected. It’s basically the energy left from the Big Bang, and they can see how much it’s cooled and calculate how long it took to cool - and it’s 13.8B years.
I think
(I stayed in a holiday inn express last night)
(Ok. Maybe i didn’t)
This post was edited on 8/8/19 at 9:35 pm
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