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re: Biden stopped the executions of 37 men. Trump's DOJ wants to punish them
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:15 am to Narax
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:15 am to Narax
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There would be a problem with a general studies Masters level class thats not a Law Degree, would be stomping on another programs responsibilities.
I did not request a legal course. More of a sociology or penology one.
quote:FWIW, my academic work isn’t centered on the carceral system. This thread is unrelated to anything I’m pursuing for my degree.
Both are going to be very useful, but both are on topics that their university considers preferred.
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However you do agree with my point, any scholar supporting the death penalty is signing his own career death warrant.
I disagree. Thomas Sowell seems to be doing quite well.
All I do is argue with my dissertation committee chair. He’s so frustrating and we disagree about so many things all the time. I don’t know where these echo chambers are they are referenced here so often.
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The authors point is that the death sentence is less sure, and (with some questionable assumptions) guaranteed imprisonment (which you hate) is a better deterrent.
First, can we stop editorializing my alleged opinions?
Second, you claimed this: If more murderers were indeed executed for their crimes even your abstract agrees that it would reduce murders more than prison alone.
That could be true but the abstract certainly doesn’t propose or support that claim.
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There are very few studies that support your view of all incarceration is wrong.
I have never suggested this.
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Have you ever served on a jury?
Nope. Never even made it to voir dire. Kinda stings but I’ve learned to live with the rejection.
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Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:16 am to Bourre
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Exactly!!! People like her are the same group who pushed for harsh and out of proportion prison sentences for J6 participants
I’ve only ever posted my support of J6 and civil disobedience.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:24 am to 4cubbies
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We already know, conclusively, that harsher punishments do not deter crime.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:25 am to deltadummy
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Why? Because people will go to prison for at least a couple of years.
Singapore’s burglary numbers are low because Singapore has a completely different legal, cultural, and enforcement ecosystem: extremely high clearance rates, pervasive surveillance, centralized policing, swift adjudication, and far less tolerance for low-level disorder. The certainty of being caught there is dramatically higher, which is the exact point I’ve been making.
You’re also comparing a city-state of 6 million with a highly centralized government to a post-industrial British city with very different social conditions, policing capacity, housing instability, drug markets, and court backlogs. Lots of factors are at play other than prison sentences.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:28 am to thebigmuffaletta
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No one is arguing that enforcement of the law doesn’t change behavior but that it’s meaningless if there isn’t severe punishment that follows the enforcement. Checkpoints and patrols most certainly deter people from drinking and driving but they’re of little value without the tens of thousands of dollars in fines, increased insurance costs, suspension of license and other penalties that drinking and driving carries.
I agree with most of this. In the DUI example, the deterrent effect comes primarily from the visibility and certainty of enforcement. Most drivers don’t know the exact fine amounts or insurance consequences off the top of their heads, and they certainly aren’t doing a detailed cost-benefit analysis at 2 a.m. They espond to is checkpoints, patrols, and the increased likelihood of getting caught that night.
Once penalties are already severe (arrest, license suspension, criminal record, major financial cost), increasing them further doesn’t produce a proportional drop in DUI rates. Severity matters up to a point. Beyond that point, returns diminish quickly.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:31 am to 4cubbies
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Singapore’s burglary numbers are low because Singapore has a completely different legal, cultural, and enforcement ecosystem: extremely high clearance rates, pervasive surveillance, centralized policing, swift adjudication, and far less tolerance for low-level disorder. The certainty of being caught there is dramatically higher, which is the exact point I’ve been making. You’re also comparing a city-state of 6 million with a highly centralized government to a post-industrial British city with very different social conditions, policing capacity, housing instability, drug markets, and court backlogs. Lots of factors are at play other than prison sentences.
As someone who served in the Navy and has been to Singapore, I can state with a high level of confidence that the harsh punishment in Singapore is a deterrent to crime. Sailors are always warned of their harsh punishment before making a port call in Singapore. US servicemen will absolutely walk the straight and narrow in Singapore for fear of going to prison for a long time.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:37 am to 4cubbies
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Most drivers don’t know the exact fine amounts or insurance consequences off the top of their heads, and they certainly aren’t doing a detailed cost-benefit analysis at 2 a.m
It’s not necessary to know the exact amount. Drivers know that the financial penalty for a DUI is harsh. Every driver knows that it will cost them financially in both fines and increased costs of insurance as well as losing their license.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:38 am to thebigmuffaletta
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You’re trying to conclude that harsher punishment isn’t a deterrent to crime when the harsher punishment part of the equation isn’t even happening
You see rage-bait tweets posted that claim “this thug has been arrested 689 times and just beat an old lady crossing the street!” and just accept them. Arrests aren’t convictions and charges aren’t sentences.
The U.S. still has some of the longest sentences, highest incarceration rates, and harshest prison conditions in the developed world. Mandatory minimums, habitual offender laws, long pretrial detention, and life sentences without parole are very much alive and well. Harsh penalties are absolutely happening.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:44 am to 4cubbies
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I don’t know where these echo chambers are they are referenced here so often.
Then you are being willfully ignorant.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:46 am to 4cubbies
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The U.S. still has some of the longest sentences
Not long enough.
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and harshest prison conditions in the developed world.
Harsh you say?
Here is a quote from a thread that you avoided like the plague:
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The court documents state several reasons for the request, including the fact that Zizz was truthful when admitting to sexually assaulting the victims and that he had no previous criminal history. The documents also said releasing Zizz would benefit the community
The victims were children.
Congrats to you and your ilk.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:50 am to 4cubbies
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You see rage-bait tweets posted that claim “this thug has been arrested 689 times and just beat an old lady crossing the street!” and just accept them. Arrests aren’t convictions and charges aren’t sentences.
You unwittingly made my point for me right here.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:53 am to 4cubbies
Hey babes. Just checking in again.
Are ya ready to admit you are wrong and Sandra bland and Trayvon martin were not murdered by police?
Are ya ready to admit you are wrong and Sandra bland and Trayvon martin were not murdered by police?
Posted on 12/27/25 at 11:57 am to 4cubbies
4cubbies believes the severity of the punishment is not a deterrent but the certainty of getting caught is what matters.
If that was true: how do you explain someone with 40-75+ arrests killing someone on the street?
Obviously, if they've been arrested that many times they realize the likelihood of getting arrested is pretty good.
What would have saved those lives is harsher punishments. Getting caught did nothing to stop the criminal's trajectory.
If that was true: how do you explain someone with 40-75+ arrests killing someone on the street?
Obviously, if they've been arrested that many times they realize the likelihood of getting arrested is pretty good.
What would have saved those lives is harsher punishments. Getting caught did nothing to stop the criminal's trajectory.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 12:04 pm to Smeg
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If that was true: how do you explain someone with 40-75+ arrests killing someone on the street?
In her mind, all of those people were innocent and beat the rap or had the charges dismissed because of their innocence.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 12:16 pm to 4cubbies
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If making people suffer more reduced crime, ........
Which is why the US must make the criminals either suffer or die. The criminal suffering or death should also be available 24/7 on live stream to anyone who wants to view it.
There should also be mandatory high school course that makes sure teen agers understand the suffering or death THAT WILL TAKE PLACE if they wish to live their life as a criminal.
Posted on 12/27/25 at 12:17 pm to beerJeep
Was that when she was picking up and having sex with homeless men?
Posted on 12/27/25 at 12:54 pm to 4cubbies
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I'm not sure what this specific instance has to do with the greater discussion.
Of course you don’t
Posted on 12/27/25 at 1:06 pm to moneyg
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We already know, conclusively, that harsher punishments do not deter crime
Yea, tell me again how many convicted criminals eliminated by the death penalty have repeated their crimes? 
Posted on 12/27/25 at 1:16 pm to 4cubbies
Hey cubs maybe if it was your children that were killed you would feel differently but of course not the system is so rigged against the brown man and it's the systematic racism is why they kill innocent people.
Trump man bad and auto pen Joe good. Trump enforcing laws and i voted for all of it.
Trump man bad and auto pen Joe good. Trump enforcing laws and i voted for all of it.
This post was edited on 12/27/25 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 12/27/25 at 1:18 pm to Cosmo
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False. Tough to commit more crimes if you are dead
It doesn't deter the initial crime is her point
But there is a necessity to ensure some people never walk freely among us
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