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re: Bibles After 1960 Withheld Best Weapon Against Satan
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:55 am to GumboPot
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:55 am to GumboPot
Funny, John Henry Weston's youtube version of this appeared in my feed this morning.
JHW and guest had their own rather compelling theory about this.
Christians SHOULD fast because the Lord Jesus did so, and because He tells us to:
USCCB - aka the Democrat Party at prayer - goodness knows what version
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I'm still curious about the reasoning to take out "fasting" in the latest editions of the bible.
JHW and guest had their own rather compelling theory about this.
Christians SHOULD fast because the Lord Jesus did so, and because He tells us to:
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Jesus answered them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.
USCCB - aka the Democrat Party at prayer - goodness knows what version
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:56 am to GumboPot
The reason "and fasting" is in the KJV, but not in newer translations like the NIV, NASB, ESV, CEB, GNT etc is that the KJV translation is based on a different manuscript, the Textus Receptus.
Newer translations use older manuscripts which have been discovered since the publication of the KJV in 1611. That means that, paradoxically, the newer translations use older manuscripts. That's important because older manuscripts are closer to the original sources, which sadly do not exist. And the words "and fasting" are not found in the older manuscripts. Probably a monk somewhere added them to a manuscript to justify/promote their practice of fasting, and the next monk who hand copied the manuscript added it to the text.
Newer translations use older manuscripts which have been discovered since the publication of the KJV in 1611. That means that, paradoxically, the newer translations use older manuscripts. That's important because older manuscripts are closer to the original sources, which sadly do not exist. And the words "and fasting" are not found in the older manuscripts. Probably a monk somewhere added them to a manuscript to justify/promote their practice of fasting, and the next monk who hand copied the manuscript added it to the text.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 11/30/22 at 10:58 am to LSUnation78
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Well if they start making me eat grasshopers, i’ll give fasting a go
Spiritually speaking, Fasting and Dieting aren't the same thing, but encouraging all of us to drop a few pounds given the obesity epidemic out there isn't a bad thing.
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LSUnation78
Not a commentary on you, my friend, just a general observation.
oh yeah, and frick the NWO tyrants feeding filet mignon to themselves and grasshoppers to the rest of us. I bet they'll come out with some restriction on eating the wild pigs that freely roam the areas we all live.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:03 am to GumboPot
Ask yourself why Protestants ripped out 7 books of the Old Testament in their “bibles”.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:05 am to GumboPot
read Enoch I recently. and have been told by multiple the Bible is the divine, inspired, Word of God. And dont disagree.
is not the Word of God i am skeptical of, but the itentions and capabilities of mankind. the Bible curses those who would tamper with the Word, almost like God knew people will tamper.
also, fasting is super hard, even for a day.
is not the Word of God i am skeptical of, but the itentions and capabilities of mankind. the Bible curses those who would tamper with the Word, almost like God knew people will tamper.
also, fasting is super hard, even for a day.
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Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:11 am to GumboPot
Religious or not. Fasting is one of the greatest lifehacks I have in my arsenal. Everyone should research it and do it.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:13 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Ask yourself why Protestants ripped out 7 books of the Old Testament in their “bibles”.
I am curious. Why? Did Catholics not change their bible?
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:16 am to Flats
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If I'm doing a study I hit the ESV, NIV and KJV (and maybe others, but 2 minimum) for passages like this.
I use ESV most often but I also like read old English from the KJV, to see how they spoke and the words they chose in those days. Psalms 23 in the King James is more poetic.
Also keep in mind that the translations have different goals for communicating. Some make word for word translations, for example,"his nose turned red". Others try to make thought or message translations, for example, "his anger burned", "he was angry". All 3 have the same message, "anger". Written in message board parlance,"he was pissed"
. Greek may have a single word that best translates to 3 words or a whole sentence in English. There are 3 words for "Love" in Greek, they all have different meanings and 2 or more words when translated to modern English. Some of the oldest texts may be in Hebrew and Aramaic texts. What is amazing, despite the number of authors and languages, all unite and agree in a theme.
This post was edited on 11/30/22 at 11:22 am
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:16 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Ask yourself why Protestants ripped out 7 books of the Old Testament in their “bibles”.
I love what the Old Testament book of Sirach (not in Protestant bibles) especially what it says about doctors:
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Give doctors the honour they deserve, for the Lord gave them their work to do. Their skill came from the Most High, and kings reward them for it. Their knowledge gives them a position of importance, and powerful people hold them in high regard. The Lord created medicines from the earth, and a sensible person will not hesitate to use them. Didn't a tree once make bitter water fit to drink, so that the Lord's power might be known? He gave medical knowledge to human beings, so that we would praise him for the miracles he performs. The chemist mixes these medicines, and the doctor will use them to cure diseases and ease pain. There is no end to the activities of the Lord, who gives health to the people of the world. My child, when you feel ill, don't ignore it. Pray to the Lord, and he will make you well. Confess all your sins and determine that in the future you will live a righteous life. Offer incense and a grain offering, as fine as you can afford. Then call the doctor — for the Lord created him — and keep him at your side; you need him. There are times when you have to depend on his skill. The doctor's prayer is that the Lord will make him able to ease his patients' pain and make them well again. As for the person who sins against his Creator, he deserves to be sick.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:19 am to lsu13lsu
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I am curious. Why? Did Catholics not change their bible?
Martin Luther removed the seven books from the bible he did not see as divinely inspired.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:26 am to GumboPot
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I'm still curious about the reasoning to take out "fasting" in the latest editions of the bible.
The earliest versions of Mark found in Greek apparently do not include “fasting”, but only “prayer”. The word is Strong’s 4335.
What’s happening is the translations you think are good are probably inaccurate and have been molested. The ones you think are censoring the word fasting are more accurate to the original Greek.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:37 am to epbart
quote:Good information, thank you.
Technically, the Duoay-Rheims predates it, being first published in 1582 and completed in 1609 vs King James version in 1611.
Interesting article on debate between Duoey-Rheims & King James Version:
catholic culture website
Cliff notes:
- Duoay-Rheims was 1st (1582-1609), was based mostly on Jerome's Latin Vulgate bible that I think was the formal Catholic bible, and has a Catholic bent. (this is an broad summary of a quick read of the link so may not be perfectly accurate... Feel free to correct me)
- King James version (1611) also went to Latin Vulgate version, and maybe the Koine Greek (I can't recall w/out re-reading), but also specifically leaned on the Douay (openly/publicly rejecting some points while embracing others). The KJV takes a protestant bent.
- Bishop Challoner revised the Douay-Rheims as we generally see it (1749-1752) using Vulgate & Greek... and leaned on the KJV at times.
In short, both versions significantly influence one another.
It seems the "onlyist" position (as in: only this version is legitimate) stems from the pissing match between catholics & protestants. There were Douay-Rheims onlyists who insisted it was more legitimate due to adhering to approved catholic sources. Protestants upheld the KJV as superior.
It isn't explained in detail in the article, but it's obvious that the original premise of asserting KJV as superior (for Protestants) devolved over time the way certain issues on this board become zealously binary so that some protestant sects proclaim KJV is the one bonafide, inspired version in existence & are completely unwilling to consider merits of others translations.
I have never looked into much about Duoey-Rheims
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:38 am to razor55red
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How did you feel at the end? Did you only consume water, or did you consume other liquids, like fruit juices or broth? I need to do that (not sure about 28 days, though). Really interested in your experience. I have friends who fast regularly and say it's great physically but more importantly helps their spiritual practice.
I started practicing right after Christmas last year. First I skipped breakfast and lunch a few days a week. Then I went to 3 day fasts. By the time February started I was mentally prepared for the challenge.
To keep some fat intake I blended buttermilk and raw eggs that I picked fresh out of the coop my brother had. I drank that buttermilk concoction the whole fast. Also would drink tomato juice, water and coffee. The temptation to eat crunchy things is REAL. It’s a mental hoop to jump through for sure. Once I got used to the process I could go eat with coworkers and sit at the table and not be stressed about not eating.
Commercial construction is my trade.. my energy was through the roof and I slept very well. My morning workouts were good because I could feel muscle development daily, but more lean not bulk.
By the end of the whole thing I was down 25 lbs. I would have burned more if not for the buttermilk. I prayed a lot during the fast, you gotta talk about it with someone, and coworkers will just give you grief.
Everyone should fast some throughout the year…. The overall health of this country would improve.
On my 40th birthday I ate gator jerky for breakfast, skipped lunch, then ate a big piece of snapper and loaded baked potato for dinner. The weight comes back very quickly fwiw.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:41 am to GumboPot
Damn, I was hoping for one of those giant rolling papers that used to come in Led Zeppelin albums.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:43 am to Roaad
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Please don't start the KJV only conspiracy bullshite. It is a rabbit hole that will just make you feel dumber in the end.
The scripture clearly states that no one should add to, or take away from, the Bible.
I can understand things being lost or misinterpreted along the path. I believe that there's a reason for the different interpretations, and also for the clear lessons/stories that endured basically unabated through all the versions.
Yet, there's also that side of me that wonders why it was that man elected to deliberately leave the Dead Sea Scrolls out of the Holy Bible. The scrolls were written in the same time period as the rest of the Bible, by people who were compelled to write them... So why were they omitted?
Was it man who decided that the literary contents of the DSS were not palatable? Was it man's choice to leave out things that give a greater yet more controversial context to the earliest accounts of heaven and earth (Nephilim, ancient astronaut references, etc.)?
As it stands, I take the Bible literal and not as allegory. The inquisitive side of me does wonder about the things that were left out though. I digress and it's not exactly related to the original context of the OP, but it just seemed like a good thread in which to express my observations.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:54 am to TigerAxeOK
quote:All of them are in the Hebrew Bible
Yet, there's also that side of me that wonders why it was that man elected to deliberately leave the Dead Sea Scrolls out of the Holy Bible.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:57 am to TigerAxeOK
Exclusion of the Nag Hammadi library is the more interesting story of the religious politics of the day.
Posted on 11/30/22 at 11:59 am to GumboPot
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Give doctors the honour they deserve, for the Lord gave them their work to do. Their skill came from the Most High, and kings reward them for it
What about Dr Fauci
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:05 pm to GumboPot
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reasoning to take out "fasting
It is the opposite of consumption
Posted on 11/30/22 at 12:06 pm to Roaad
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All of them are in the Hebrew Bible
Maybe he's referring to Jasher and the boys?
Apocryphal stuff?
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