re: Barna research says 32 million churchgoing Christians are sitting out the election

More are sitting out because they don’t. Want to vote for Kamala. Sorry. It is what it is.

Read this as “Bama research” and was just coming here to call bullshite on any research done at Bama.

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Calvins believe that you are selected for salvation prior to birth. If you believe that Trump isnt worthy of your vote at 78, then you also have to believe he wasnt "elected" for salvation, being that the average lifespan of a white males is 77 yrs

That, or you dont actually know what a Calvinist believes. And that David wouldnt be saved under Calvinist doctrine. Or Mary, or Noah, or Abraham, ya know those that found grace in the eyes of God, as a result of the lives they led

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Thank you for clarifying. I don’t think you understand Calvinism.

While I believe the Scriptures when they say that God predestines, I don’t claim to know who God has predestined specifically. That is part of God’s secret will that no one has insight to.

I specifically do not know the heart of Donald Trump. It is quite possible that he is trusting in Christ and has a weak but present faith in Him for salvation. I don’t know if he is saved but I do not believe he demonstrates fruit of salvation.

David was one of God’s elect. So was Mary, Noah, and Abraham, based on how the Bible speaks of them.

Just because I’m not voting for Trump doesn’t mean I don’t believe he is elect. I don’t know that. I can only vote according to the fruits I see. Election into salvation is up to God, not me.

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Read this as “Bama research” and was just coming here to call bullshite on any research done at Bama.

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I did as well. My poor eyes.

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what religious creed does Kamala profess

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Hindu

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I can only vote according to the fruits I see.

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Well then

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Hebrews 13:17

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

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In our system of govt, you select those that have rule over you. And it is required by your creator that you then submit to them, otherwise the results will be unprofitable for you

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choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell

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The choice is yours. Remember Lot. Choices have consequences

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Dr Frank Turek explains why every Christian needs to be voting in the upcoming election

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I got a chance to listen and he's very compelling in terms of why Christians should vote for the sake of the good of neighbor. There are many practical reasons why Christians might want to vote for Trump that go beyond his personal convictions and beliefs, especially in comparison to Harris. I get it. I really do. It's how I've voted for all of my adult life.

Here is the reasoning for why I've changed my mind against voting for Trump or anyone that isn't a faithful Christian:

1. As the Westminster Shorter Catechism says, "man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy Him forever". This is a summary of the Scripture's teaching in places like 1 Cor. 10:31, which says "Whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God." All things includes governing and even voting. Col. 1:16 reiterates: "all things were created through Him and for Him", that is, Jesus Christ.

2. Civil government exists for the glory of God in Jesus Christ. Rom. 13:1-7 teaches us that lawful civil rulers are appointed by God to "bear the sword" and "execute wrath on him who practices evil". The civil ruler is "God's minister and is under the authority of God Himself, who has placed all rulers under the authority of Jesus Christ (Matt. 28:18), as "King of kings and Lord of lords" and "Ruler over the kings of the earth" (Rev. 1:5; 19:16).

3. Psalm 2:10-12 warned "kings" and "judges of the earth" to "be wise" and "be instructed" to "serve the Lord with fear" and to "kiss the Son, lest He be angry". All kings will have to answer to the Son, Jesus Christ, for how they governed and ruled.

4. In America's government, the people--the voter--has supreme power and that power is exercised through elected representatives. In this sense, the voter is "king" and "judge", with elected representatives exercising that power day-to-day in governance. To that end, the voter is accountable to God for each vote they cast.

5. The Bible provides examples of what His people should look for in terms of leaders: in Exod. 18:21, Moses commands Israel to "select from all the people able men, such as fear God, men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them to be rulers". David said, "He who rules over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God" (2 Sam. 23:3). Even in exile, Daniel petitioned the king to appoint three God-fearing believers (Shadrach, Meschach, and Abed-Nego) over the affairs of the province of Babylon (Dan. 2:49). Nehemiah later "gave the charge of Jerusalem to my brother Hanani, and Hananiah the leader of the citadel, for he was a faithful man and feared God more than many". (Neh. 7:2)

6. Following these examples, we see that Christian citizens should select godly leaders who will promote God's glory, honor His Son, and obey His Word. Each citizen will have to answer to God for the votes they cast for the men that will represent them. Those words, policies, and actions will be reflected on the voter, so we should be Christ-centered voters.

7. Being a Christ-centered voter involves at least two things: 1) We need to embrace our moral duty to obey God's Word and subject ourselves to His revealed will in all things, including how we vote; and 2) We need to take God at His word when He says "those who honor Me I will honor, and those who despise Me shall be lightly esteemed" (1 Sam. 2:30). Therefore we need to focus on what is honoring to God above all other considerations when voting, including what seems pragmatically good in our eyes.

8. There are two types of people in this world: enemies of God and sons of God; those who are trusting in Christ by faith and are therefore engrafted into the family of God by adoption, and those who have rejected their creator. There are rulers who "kiss the Son" and those who will be broken and shattered to pieces with God's rod of iron (Ps. 2:9).

Ultimately Christians have to ask some important questions regarding who they vote for and support: are we maintaining loyalty to Christ when we align ourselves with rulers who God will break to pieces? Are we being consistent when we vote for enemies of God and hypocrites that do not honor Christ? If Christ is King of kings and the Father has put all things under His feet (Eph. 1:22), then how can Christians support lesser magistrates under the King ruling in opposition to Him? Christians are not to try to find a ruler like all of the rulers of the nations (1 Sam. 8). That's precisely what Israel did during the time of the judges and God took that as a rejection of Himself. That's essentially what we do when we vote for men who rule according to what they think it is right instead of what God says is right.

I'm not voting for Trump because he is either an enemy of God or he is a hypocrite who brings dishonor to Christ through his profession of faith and entirely unchristian words and actions. His support for LGBTQ+ policies; his lack of desire to continue to fight against the evil of abortion; and ultimately his refusal to align with Christ and the truth of the gospel when he is given multiple opportunities to do so are just some of the reasons why I cannot in good conscience vote for him even if his policies are more beneficial to America, to Christians generally, and to me specifically than those of Harris. My allegiance is to Christ above all and I believe I am dishonoring Him when I align myself with those who do not honor Him. I can't align with those who blaspheme God's name for the sake of pragmatism.

Churches in major cities aren’t Christian at all.

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In our system of govt, you select those that have rule over you. And it is required by your creator that you then submit to them, otherwise the results will be unprofitable for you

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You're exactly right. I have had to submit to the Biden administration during the last nearly 4 years even though I think it has been entirely evil. The only times I don't submit is when they command me to act against God's commands.

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The choice is yours. Remember Lot. Choices have consequences

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Choices certainly do have consequences. I choose not to align myself with an unrepentant hypocrite that continues to bring reproach on the name of Christ, the King. If that means I have to live under an evil government, then so be it. God is ultimately in control of that, and if He decides to show mercy on this country by restraining evil, then that would be wonderful, but if He chooses to judge this nation for the evil it allows and performs, then may His will be done. I cannot go against my conscience. Trump winning won't reverse the course of evil of this country; at best it will slow down slightly.