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re: Banning vaccine passports - how is this a conservative / small government stance?
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:57 pm to Jjdoc
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:57 pm to Jjdoc
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Because I'm not taking one and the gov has no right to force me
Cool. I completely support that.
But we aren't talking about the government, we are talking about private business.
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Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:57 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Nothing fake... in fact... complete opposite.
Spare me.
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Wanting government to get involved only when it suits your ideals, is about as fake as you can get.
Again, spare me. You'll happily turn this country over. You're a pussy.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:57 pm to Vacherie Saint
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dont tell me what I am talking about. you came ill prepared to have this debate and now you must deal with the fallout.
No... you are trying to reframe the debate, because you know you can't win the debate we are having.
Moving the goalposts... that's what you are doing...
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:59 pm to LSUFanHouston
because if we allow someone to get away with requiring passports, it will never stop there. Humans suck.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:59 pm to Vacherie Saint
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so you would be OK with Hobby Lobby forcing a pregnant woman to provide a pregnancy test and a marriage certificate as a condition of her continued employment?
Because thats what you are saying, even though you dont realize it.
Nothing is absolute.
I am completely ok with that, yes.
Just like I am completely ok with private religious schools that have done that exact same thing to their faculty.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:59 pm to LSUFanHouston
Shut the frick up. No one likes you.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 2:59 pm to concrete_tiger
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because if we allow someone to get away with requiring passports, it will never stop there. Humans suck.
Just taking down the monuments, nothing to see here.
Just want gay marriage, nothing to see here.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:00 pm to LSUFanHouston
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But we aren't talking about the government, we are talking about private business.
So I'm clear - you're only talking about a private business taking it upon itself to issue vaccine passports. I guess this would mean they'd keep their own records, of who's been vaccinated and is then allowed to shop/eat in their place?
Because it can't be a gov't issued vaccine passport, right?
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:00 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Can a business deny service to a customer based on their religion? Yes or no.
Yes.
A private, for-profit, religious school can ban a child from attending if they don't abide by certain religious ideals.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
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We are talking about freedom in the context of our constitution...
No, you are attempting to apply conservatism at all costs, regarding this 1 instance, ignoring all other facets of life. If you want to do this, then you MUST accept conservatism for EVERYTHING. Not just pick and choose 1 rule that you want to be conservative, but then ignore everything surrounding it.
Just like my example i gave earlier. If you really want vaccine passports, you can do that, assuming the entire airline industry is de-regulated and broken up, and all government interference is completely removed. And then we can broaden the circle the industry touches and apply strict conservatism to that too. But, something tells me, that's not what you want. You just want this one single instance to be "conservative regardless of external factors". And that's not conservatism, that's your own selfish ideology.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
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A private, for-profit, religious school can ban a child from attending if they don't abide by certain religious ideals.
Example? Having 2 kids in Catholic school, i can assure you, you don't have to be Catholic to attend.
This post was edited on 6/7/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:02 pm to the808bass
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Shut the frick up. No one likes you.
Wow, now that's an example of a great way to win a debate! Thanks for that thought-provoking line!
Go away, snowflake. Sorry I hurt your feelings.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:02 pm to LSUFanHouston
You literally just said that freedom is the relationship between people and government. That is demonstrably false and foolish. Those are your ridiculous words not mine.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:03 pm to David_DJS
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So I'm clear - you're only talking about a private business taking it upon itself to issue vaccine passports. I guess this would mean they'd keep their own records, of who's been vaccinated and is then allowed to shop/eat in their place?
Because it can't be a gov't issued vaccine passport, right?
I've seen zero government-issued "vaccine passports".
I guess if you consider the "card" to be a government-issued vaccine passport, then you can ask the customer to provide another form. Maybe a form from CVS.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:04 pm to Vacherie Saint
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You literally just said that freedom is the relationship between people and government.
Wow, did he really? What a horrible and slavish take. He must have believed Pedo Joe when he said, "we the people means the government".
This post was edited on 6/7/21 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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People who don't want to follow a business policy are more than able to find another business to patronize.
Let the market decide.
This is where I find myself torn. On one hand, I completely agree with your statement.
But, let's not pretend that certain sectors of the economy are full of choices for many Americans. Entire communities would be unable to "find another business to patronize."
The consolidation for instance, in grocery stores, has been incredible. Rural communities often have 1 or 2 choices, and it's not like a hole in the market would result in new options before people are forced to comply or starve.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:04 pm to BugAC
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ust like my example i gave earlier. If you really want vaccine passports, you can do that, assuming the entire airline industry is de-regulated and broken up, and all government interference is completely removed. And then we can broaden the circle the industry touches and apply strict conservatism to that too. But, something tells me, that's not what you want. You just want this one single instance to be "conservative regardless of external factors". And that's not conservatism, that's your own selfish ideology.
You haven't followed my post history very well, have you?
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:04 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:It might not be better. But why do we need Gov DeSantis to make that decision for us? The OP is spot on.
How is having a vaccine passport the better option? Didn't really think this one out, did you?
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
Because we are in a war with the left and they’re lobbing bombs at us while you people respond with ‘Muh principles’.
Defeat the left then we can talk about principles again.
Defeat the left then we can talk about principles again.
Posted on 6/7/21 at 3:05 pm to Vacherie Saint
Businesses are not coming up with this on their own. When someone like Jay Inslee says that it's up to businesses to require vaccine passports it becomes a way for a government entity to bypass laws under the guise of "it's not the government doing it". It's the same shite being pulled with facebook, twitter, aws and alphabet
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