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re: Axios: U.S. and Iran reach deal but need Trump's final approval
Posted on 5/28/26 at 10:25 am to Mushroom1968
Posted on 5/28/26 at 10:25 am to Mushroom1968
No it’s not as irgc has declared that a red line
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Posted on 5/28/26 at 10:52 am to AUCom96
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Trump has no cards and can't keep taking the economic hit from this.
This is a ridiculous take.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 10:54 am to AGGIES
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He expected a 2 week military campaign to scare them into compliance. Venezuela part 2. But that just wasn’t realistic.
He might have achieved it. We won’t know until the agreements are signed and implemented for a few months. In the mean time we will continue to be bombarded by people like you, on both sides, who “know” how it all will end.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:02 am to Penrod
Let’s see how the goalposts move at the end of the day.
If no regime change, and payment to the existing regime for “reparations” is part of the equation, then that is not what was sold to the American people.
We’ll see what happens…
If no regime change, and payment to the existing regime for “reparations” is part of the equation, then that is not what was sold to the American people.
We’ll see what happens…
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:06 am to Reagan80
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Iranians won't cave. Trump will because his reputation as a deal maker is at risk,
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:20 am to AGGIES
quote:I don’t remember if ‘regime change’ was an initial selling point. However, when religious, political, and military leaders (along with many of their family members) were killed from the get go, that sort of became baked in, and that was solidified when there was a demand for unconditional surrender.
Let’s see how the goalposts move at the end of the day. If no regime change, and payment to the existing regime for “reparations” is part of the equation, then that is not what was sold to the American people.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:25 am to pitchandcatch27
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These idiots invented the word LIE and DECETE.
They must have just invented decete. Never heard that one.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:30 am to AGGIES
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If no regime change, and payment to the existing regime for “reparations” is part of the equation, then that is not what was sold to the American people.
Regime change was always a hope not a concrete goal.
I agree on the payment issues but if you are calling the unfreezing of Iranian assets "payments" then we are parting ways.
A logical outcome would be to start releasing frozen assets as they achieve compliance, eventually resulting in lifting sanctions if they have gone a couple of years without misbehaving and funding terrorists.
If that happens I would call it "regime change". If it doesn't happen, and we get the nuclear material out of Iran and leave them having to rebuild and with the Strait opened and untolled, I would call that a success.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:32 am to TakingStock
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Axios: U.S. and Iran reach deal but need Trump's final approval
Its not a deal, its a 60 day extension of the ceasefire
Nuclear discussions to be continued
Trump is just getting drug along... 2 weeks, turned into 7 weeks and now will turn into another 8 weeks. So 2 weeks turns into 15 weeks in the end.
This post was edited on 5/28/26 at 11:34 am
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:34 am to Penrod
quote:That is a very succinct statement but many would hate the pragmatic approach.
Regime change was always a hope not a concrete goal. I agree on the payment issues but if you are calling the unfreezing of Iranian assets "payments" then we are parting ways. A logical outcome would be to start releasing frozen assets as they achieve compliance, eventually resulting in lifting sanctions if they have gone a couple of years without misbehaving and funding terrorists. If that happens I would call it "regime change". If it doesn't happen, and we get the nuclear material out of Iran and leave them having to rebuild and with the Strait opened and untolled, I would call that a success.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:39 am to Mushroom1968
Could work out nicely, if braiding armpit hair is your thing.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:46 am to TakingStock
Feel like we've been reading this same headline everyday for the past 85-days.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:47 am to Reagan80
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Iranians won't cave. Trump will because his reputation as a deal maker is at risk,
Certain points are non-negotiable and he’s stood by that.
No Uranium
Open Strait
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:48 am to TakingStock
No deal at all.
Just a ceasefire extension.
Clown show!
Trump is stuck and has no fricking clue how to get out of this.
Iran will never capitulate or make a deal.
Just a ceasefire extension.
Clown show!
Trump is stuck and has no fricking clue how to get out of this.
Iran will never capitulate or make a deal.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:52 am to Penrod
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Regime change was always a hope not a concrete goal. I agree on the payment issues but if you are calling the unfreezing of Iranian assets "payments" then we are parting ways. A logical outcome would be to start releasing frozen assets as they achieve compliance, eventually resulting in lifting sanctions if they have gone a couple of years without misbehaving and funding terrorists. If that happens I would call it "regime change". If it doesn't happen, and we get the nuclear material out of Iran and leave them having to rebuild and with the Strait opened and untolled, I would call that a success.
Couple of things:
The original context for my comments was what did Trump think was going to happen.
If the Strait is opened and untolled, that’s just getting back to where we were before. That’s a minimum requirement, not advancement or progress.
We part ways where you say regime change is measured by a couple of years without the regime misbehaving.
We have to judge success in terms of how the outcome compares to the JCPOA deal that preceded it. Cost v benefit analysis.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:53 am to pitchandcatch27
They invented lie and deceit? So they're all Democrats too.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 11:58 am to HubbaBubba
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How many Iranian students do we get? China got half a million.
Please don’t act like a Panican, my young, aspiring Patriot. We must keep the faith.
Posted on 5/28/26 at 12:11 pm to Lsut81
Meanwhile, China and Russia continue to arm and re-arm Iran. The straits stay encumbered if not closed essentially through summer. What a cluster.
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