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Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:48 pm to Burt Reynolds
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UFC fight is the definition of bread and circuses
hyperbole much? Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:49 pm to roadGator
I didn’t expect an “oops, my bad.” So that will do. 
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:50 pm to Rip Torner
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Sanctions were and have been in place yet they still enriched Uranium.
So how are we better off as it relates to keeping them from a nuke now without sanctions to keep them in check and giving them $300B to potentially use surreptitiously toward nuclear development?
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We bombed them at will, that isn’t debatable.
What did that accomplish moving forward?
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Again if you don’t think a military power operating with impunity several thousand miles away with essentially zero casualties against a nation that rests its power on force then you can’t be helped unless your expectation is a surrender tweet from the Ayatollah as proof of military defeat lol keep bitching though
What strategic goals did anything you just outlined accomplish?
Is Iran weaker or stronger moving forward after we did those things based on the deal that was agreed to?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:52 pm to tide06
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What strategic goals did anything you just outlined accomplish?
Do you know how much harder it is to go from zero percent enrichment to weaponized than from 65% to weaponized? Good Lord. Quadrupling down on posting from a place of complete ignorance.
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Is Iran weaker or stronger moving forward after we did those things based on the deal that was agreed to?
Much much weaker. I mean. I’m actually stunned by your question. I don’t get stunned on here. We are used to morons…this might be a new level.
This post was edited on 6/15/26 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:54 pm to tide06
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tide06
Exhibit A
Knows frick all of any details of any deal yet speaks with the certainty of God above
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:54 pm to BBONDS25
A fair assessment
Isn’t possible at this point is it? I didn’t watch any news this weekend. or read up on it yet.
I did see that we are underwriting the loans.
Love to see that contract. What collateral is being offered to assume such a risk will be important considering you can’t trust Iran.
Can’t be trust me bro from the Iranians.
Fair?
Isn’t possible at this point is it? I didn’t watch any news this weekend. or read up on it yet.
I did see that we are underwriting the loans.
Love to see that contract. What collateral is being offered to assume such a risk will be important considering you can’t trust Iran.
Can’t be trust me bro from the Iranians.
Fair?
This post was edited on 6/15/26 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:56 pm to Eurocat
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That's a cold hearted realist perspective that does not allow for subjigated people to "dare to dream".
I would argue the exact opposite, if that's the subject here.
What has mindless collectivism wrought? I suggest embracing independent individualism. That alone opens the floor to far more parallaxes in opinion and ideology. The advocation of a pure colloquialistic think-tank is far more likely borne from collectivism than the allowance of dissent.
You are free to reject my perspective as I am free to disagree with yours. That's how it should work. An Establishment controlled by an etatist kleptocracy is what their goal is, and the "dreamers" can keep dreaming their way into subjugation in that scenario while the "doomers" like me will be silenced at any and all costs. Surely we've both read the history books where there is documented precedent of what's coming. History never exactly repeats itself, but it has a habit of rhyming.
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That's a cold hearted realist perspective
I'll take that as a compliment. When on the subject of political and societal issues directly tethered to politics, I'm a cold hearted realist.
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that does not allow for subjigated people to "dare to dream".
False. They're free to do as they will. I only ask that they look more closely at the uphill climb and temper expectations. I myself have a big dream of seeing Congress once again work to uphold the US Constitution instead of being the deeply-entrenched money laundering apparatus of generational wealth through tax robbery that they have become. But it's not likely to happen in my lifetime. Doesn't stop me from calling them out.
This post was edited on 6/15/26 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:58 pm to Rip Torner
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The US traveled halfway across the globe and bombed them at will and killed the Ayatollah.
Which they replaced with someone who is functionally the same.
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Iran was powerless militarily to stop them so they lashed out at Bahrain.
No, they started blowing up our allied nations infrastructure and oil production before shutting down the flow of oil which was crippling the world economy.
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Everything else you listed was true before the war
Nothing I just posted was true before the war.
They couldn’t trade oil, now they can.
They didn’t have their seized money, now they do.
They didn’t have $300B, now they will.
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They could reimpose sanctions just like Iran could rebuild their nuclear program but at the end of the day Iran knows the US could also return militarily and nothing they say could stop them
That’s all true today. If it weren’t for all the financial incentives I just repeated they would continue to be at war with us because none of what you had outlined had forced them to the table whereas we were begging for a deal prior to the midterms.
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I am sure their drone force is striking fear throughout the World lol the US doesn’t need Iranian oil and never has
They shutdown 20% of the global oil market with those drones.
The US doesn’t need Iranian oil but China does and now they will have access to it while strengthening an allied nation buying it.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:58 pm to tide06
Weaker, nothing about Iran is stronger today other than your opinions. You keep talking about the 300 billion dollars as if it’s already in their bank account. It’s just as likely it will never be paid so you can keep gushing over it if you like. The Ayatollah was killed in an air strike. The new Ayatollah understands that far better than the last one. Sanctions did absolutely nothing to Iran, what more would you like to complain about. If you want to argue that this plan will likely fail because Iran is untrustworthy? Absolutely, but quit pretending they somehow proved to the World how much “stronger” they are now. That is nothing more than Leftist hysteria
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:02 pm to tide06
They didn’t shut down anything lol insurance companies refused to insure unarmed cargo ships. China has always had access to Iranian oil before and after this so what is your point?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:04 pm to Rip Torner
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You keep talking about the 300 billion dollars as if it’s already in their bank account.
So because it’s massively inconvenient to your position you’re just going to ignore it as if we didn’t just promise it along with a myriad of other financial incentives that improve their relative position?
They’re stronger in every appreciable way or you wouldn’t have to resort to pretending the facts of the deal didn’t exist to maintain your argument.
Politically? Yes.
Economically? Yes.
Militarily? Yes.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:10 pm to TigerAxeOK
I have no idea why you brought up "mindless collectivism" when the argument is the opposite, America helping other countries breathe the air of freedom. Have we failed, sure have. But ask the people of South Korea if they now in retrospect are not happy that MASH and the 4077 was not there. Apart from a few countries in Eastern Euope there is not more pro American place in the world that South Korea. They are doing a fireworks display on the fourth to honor us for what it is worth.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:11 pm to Rip Torner
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They didn’t shut down anything lol insurance companies refused to insure unarmed cargo ships.
The threat of the drones triggered the insurance companies refusing to insure the vessels. Or are you somehow suggesting the insurers just randomly decided to stop insuring them when Iran threatened to attack them?
And how would we fix it long term? You proposing we just permanently post naval assets with anti ship and drone capabilities to keep the strait open? All they have to do is get lucky once.
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China has always had access to Iranian oil before and after this so what is your point?
Oh really? That’s not what the US government thought?
Congress.gov: Pre War Sanctions on Iran
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Oil Export Bans and Targeting: Sanctions prohibited most dealings in Iranian petroleum. The U.S. targeted the entire supply chain: producers, exporters, tankers (including the “shadow fleet” using deceptive practices like ship-to-ship transfers, AIS spoofing, flag changes), ports, insurers, and refiners. Hundreds of designations hit Iranian entities, IRGC-linked firms, and foreign enablers (especially in China, UAE, etc.)
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:11 pm to roadGator
That’s fair.
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:12 pm to tide06
You went from this:
To this:
First, you say that "every concern" was played out. There was no WW3. There were no boots on the ground. There was no forever war.
You are completely wrong.
Then, you pretend that some people who are not in the administration, "like Levin and countless posters," simply wanting some things means that it played out that way in real life.
You are wrong again.
You make an easily disproven statement, and then back it up with words from outsiders instead of actions from the administration.
Why is it so hard for Trump's detractors to use logic?
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you realize every concern that was voiced when we started the Iranian conflict ended up playing out as warned?
To this:
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You realize there was support within the administration, people like Levin and countless posters here for ground troops?
First, you say that "every concern" was played out. There was no WW3. There were no boots on the ground. There was no forever war.
You are completely wrong.
Then, you pretend that some people who are not in the administration, "like Levin and countless posters," simply wanting some things means that it played out that way in real life.
You are wrong again.
You make an easily disproven statement, and then back it up with words from outsiders instead of actions from the administration.
Why is it so hard for Trump's detractors to use logic?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:15 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Feel free to educate me as to the massive accomplishments of our 100 days in Iran relative to the deal that was just agreed to.
Any thoughts on how we’re better off for having gotten involved?
Any thoughts on how we’re better off for having gotten involved?
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:18 pm to tide06
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Feel free to educate me
Not possible
Enjoy your Monday though
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:19 pm to tide06
Militarily? Sure thing lol they managed to crash a drone into a helicopter and watched as highly vulnerable bombers flew overhead. If that isn’t military power I don’t know what is. You truly are a dumbass.
Politically? If you want to argue that they censored the internet and repressed dissent, sure but that occurred before the war so it’s irrelevant. They did manage to kill thousands of their own people before the US attacked. Again, great but it’s irrelevant. You nor I have any idea what the new Ayatollah will be like he is afraid to appear publicly. That in and of itself is a projection of undeniable political power lol.
Economically? Inflation in Iran is exponentially higher than before the war. All of your projections about Iranian strengths are nothing but hopes and wishes
Politically? If you want to argue that they censored the internet and repressed dissent, sure but that occurred before the war so it’s irrelevant. They did manage to kill thousands of their own people before the US attacked. Again, great but it’s irrelevant. You nor I have any idea what the new Ayatollah will be like he is afraid to appear publicly. That in and of itself is a projection of undeniable political power lol.
Economically? Inflation in Iran is exponentially higher than before the war. All of your projections about Iranian strengths are nothing but hopes and wishes
Posted on 6/15/26 at 2:21 pm to jefforize
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but someone did a blackflip on a motorbike on the front lawn
It was SO unbecoming of the office and we should all be ASHAMED!
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