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re: At some point the doomers will get tired of being wrong, right?

Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:28 pm to
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You believe the Iranians will dismantle their nuke program?


Yes.

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The weapon that would make them untouchable


That’s kind of the entire point. You’re so close to getting it.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59778 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:29 pm to
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What’s the positive of this? This was a strategic disaster of a war for everyone in the US sphere of influence within that region.


No mention of dismantling the nuclear program? Color me shocked.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59778 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:30 pm to
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No way the Iranians will use any of that to fund their terror proxies around the world


You love dealing in hypotheticals.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23875 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:31 pm to
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If you don’t know how Iran has been weakened then you are too stupid to debate.

Yet you don’t list any of them, odd?

Whatever military installations we destroyed our coalition is now paying to rebuild.

Any ships, missiles or planes we destroyed they can now buy or build new ones using their oil.

They can now operate without sanctions.
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Other than lashing out at much weaker Gulf States what exactly did they prove militarily?

They just proved they can shutdown the global energy market at will anytime they want and that absent ground troops there’s nothing we can do to stop it. That’s massive leverage.
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If you think they haven’t been embarrassed militarily then you are too stupid to comprehend it.

How? We backed down. They agreed to a deal that leaves them unimaginably better off than they were prewar.

If you disagree show me what specific elements are now better for the US/gulf states/Israel relative to Iran than they were before we attempted regime change?
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
2774 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:32 pm to
Meat sandwich is an expert on ME politics, he served there just ask him. He knows everything about it except the fact that Strait of Hormuz borders Iran. That would be about as impressive as Panama dropping mines into the Panama Canal then bragging about their military capabilities
Posted by jlnoles79
Member since Jan 2014
14512 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:33 pm to
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Yes.


Lol

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You love dealing in hypotheticals.


It's not like they haven't done it before
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23875 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:33 pm to
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No mention of dismantling the nuclear program? Color me shocked.

We blew that up before regime change was attempted.

They didn’t have a nuclear program when we tried to overthrow their government according to our own government.

Are you suggesting the nuclear dust was a nuclear program? Trying to understand your argument.

And how are we better off in enforcing nuclear restrictions today than we were prewar if they decide to renege on their deal like they have every other time we’ve made one?
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
168588 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:33 pm to
A better term would be tucktard panicans pretending they aren't nevertrumpers..and claim they are true conservatives..
Posted by jlnoles79
Member since Jan 2014
14512 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:35 pm to
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A better term would be tucktard panicans pretending they aren't nevertrumpers..and claim they are true conservatives


It's gonna be funny watching you doing another 180 on Tucker and Megyn when they are campaigning with Vance
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
24632 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:36 pm to
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We aren’t paying 300BB


Is that what Truth Social told you to think?
Posted by JellyRoll
Member since Apr 2024
2074 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:36 pm to
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If you disagree show me what specific elements are now better for the US/gulf states/Israel relative to Iran than they were before we attempted regime change?



Give me specifics and details of why they are better off than prewar.
This post was edited on 6/15/26 at 1:36 pm
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23875 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:37 pm to
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Give me specifics and details of why they are better off than prewar.

They now have the ability to sell oil.
They now get their seized funds back.
They now get $300B.
They now get us to agree to leave them alone completely.
They now get us to end many of our sanctions.
They now have defacto control of the strait of hormuz.

None of those things were true before we kicked off the war.

The same party is in control.
The opposition groups are now hunted and abandoned.
The IRGC has infinite funding to rearm via trade with China to cause bigger issues in the future.

Your turn. How is the US “coalition” better off relative to prewar conditions?
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
2774 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:39 pm to
They have killed hundreds if not thousands of US troops in the last 40 years or so. Sanctions were and have been in place yet they still enriched Uranium. We bombed them at will, that isn’t debatable. Sanctions have prevented nothing with Iran and military action may not either but at some point it was going to be necessary. Again if you don’t think a military power operating with impunity several thousand miles away with essentially zero casualties against a nation that rests its power on force then you can’t be helped unless your expectation is a surrender tweet from the Ayatollah as proof of military defeat lol keep bitching though
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
33703 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:40 pm to
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At some point the doomers will get tired of being wrong, right?


This thread proves they are eat up with TDS

It does not matter what the facts are as they will spit out their hatred with the fire of the burning sun

They can not function otherwise as it has consumed their every thought and move in life

I suggest watching this short video of Fluff Fiction and enjoy the rest of your Monday

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Posted by roadGator
DeBoar’s dome
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:44 pm to
Bitcoin? Don’t need pallets then.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
59778 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:45 pm to
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Bitcoin? Don’t need pallets then.


Are you really not aware that the US isn’t paying the $300B? It’s the neighboring states who appear very happy to do so. Please tell me you knew that and you’re just trolling.
Posted by KingOfTheWorld
South of heaven, west of hell
Member since Oct 2018
7803 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:46 pm to
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We all have X dude, you don't need to repost with zero commentary.


I don’t have X.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
2774 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:47 pm to
You keep ignoring one simple undeniable fact. The US traveled halfway across the globe and bombed them at will and killed the Ayatollah. Iran was powerless militarily to stop them so they lashed out at Bahrain. Everything else you listed was true before the war and afterwards for the US. They could reimpose sanctions just like Iran could rebuild their nuclear program but at the end of the day Iran knows the US could also return militarily and nothing they say could stop them. That is the ultimate trump card that you fail to grasp. I am sure their drone force is striking fear throughout the World lol the US doesn’t need Iranian oil and never has
Posted by Burt Reynolds
Monterey, CA
Member since Jul 2008
24632 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:47 pm to
UFC fight is the definition of bread and circuses
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
168588 posts
Posted on 6/15/26 at 1:48 pm to
Nope...
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