re: At some point the doomers will get tired of being wrong, right?

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while not achieving any positive sustainable strategic outcome

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My sweet summer child.

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You can generally support Trump, but disagree with certain aspects of him or his policies and not be a "Panican", "Filthy Lib", "TDS", etc...

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Sure, you can. I have disagreed with some things he's done. Nothing that makes me regret voting for him in November 2024 though. Not even by a long shot.

But when you are on here daily, for years now, crying about everything Trump says and does... you have TDS... and you are a panican... and when you parrot MSNBC TDS talking points, it's not ridiculous to insult you as a "filthy lib."

Sorry, not sorry.

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you think they already got the money and the we gave it to them? It always amazes me when people opine with such hubris from a place of complete ignorance.

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So you acknowledge that $300B is being paid to Iran, right?

Can we agree that’s a bad thing if you view Iran as a negative in the region, right?

Is the US paying that money? No.

Is a consortium of allied parties paying that based on what we know currently? Yes, although the exact methodology is unclear.

Does the exact source of the funds matter change the conclusion that Iran getting $300B is a really bad outcome? No.

Was Iran due $300B before this engagement? No.

So based on all of those facts this is objectively a terrible outcome.

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while not achieving any positive sustainable strategic outcome


My sweet summer child.

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It really is fricking incredible.

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So many pallets.

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Come on man. Don’t be intentionally deceitful. You know the US isn’t paying them $300B. You’re too smart to act like the rest of the morons around here. You’re too good for that crowd.

IF the Gulf States who live near Iran and were attacked by Iran want to invest in their rebuilding, why do you care and why is it a negative if it hinges on dismantling their nuclear program? This is the problem with you people all you do is bitch and moan about every single decision while spinning it into a negative light

We did get involved at Israel’s behest, they were going to attack and we decided to join them. That’s per Rubios own statements. You want to watch the video again?

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boots on the ground foreign war with hundreds or thousands of U.S. troop casualties...

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You realize there was support within the administration, people like Levin and countless posters here for ground troops? The pentagon is who supposedly said we could have 100k casualties in a full ground war.

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You panican figs were wrong. Again. And you'll continue to be wrong like always.

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What specifically were you right about here? That were didn’t get into a ground war that was being cheered on by many on this board?

Congratulations that we didn’t dump gas on a dumpster fire you supported starting in the first place.

How specifically does anything that happened help America or weaken Iran?

The lack of awareness required to be bragging after committing one of the biggest foreign setbacks in modern middle eastern relations is astounding.

Iran is now a major player moving forward in the Middle East, congratulations on the enormity of your success in making that happen for them.

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IF the Gulf States who live near Iran and were attacked by Iran want to invest in their rebuilding

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For the same reason we were just told we had to go to war with Iran: they are a hostile nation in one of the most volatile and consequential regions in the world.

They’re also now a major regional power moving forward using their oil reserves to rebuild their economy, their military and enhance their power within the region.

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This is the problem with you people all you do is bitch and moan about every single decision while spinning it into a negative light

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What’s the positive of this? This was a strategic disaster of a war for everyone in the US sphere of influence within that region.

Do you realize their entire annual military prewar budget was like $20B? We just facilitated them rearming them 15x over.

And that’s before you look at what they can do by selling oil now.

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The whole world would be better off if people would just look at things for what they are and avoid the noise that gasligts and clouds perspective. Embrace independent individuality of thought, and the path upward looks even more steep but the trail is better defined

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That's a cold hearted realist perspective that does not allow for subjigated people to "dare to dream".

That kind of thinking is to me unAmerican. We should always try to do better and be better.

That kind of thinking would have the Berlin wall still up and us in America saying "Ah well that is the way the world is, so what". I reject that and most Americans do too.

If you don’t know how Iran has been weakened then you are too stupid to debate. “Muh they closed the Strait” and launched drones lol. The entire Iranian regime hinges upon military power and threats. Other than lashing out at much weaker Gulf States what exactly did they prove militarily? They censored the internet and killed thousands of their own citizens then had a meltdown over the Strait of Hormuz while inflicting nearly no damage on the US militarily. If you think they haven’t been embarrassed militarily then you are too stupid to comprehend it. Whether or not it changes Iran is yet to be seen but clearly in your superior intellect you already know