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re: As a video gamer, I don’t get why people get so defensive about shooters and video games
Posted on 8/6/19 at 6:15 am to baobabtiger
Posted on 8/6/19 at 6:15 am to baobabtiger
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Not only the real ness off the games but the lightheartedness of killing is also done.
Of course it is lighthearted. It's a game. Games are not supposed to be serious.
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Fortnite’s style if just slowly disappearing is just as bad as call of duty in my opinion.
This just shows that most people that blame video games really have no idea what they are talking about. Mentioning Fortnite and violence is just a joke. It's as realistic as Bugs Bunny and Wile E Coyote cartoons.
CS:GO has 10x the active players of COD, so why is it not mentioned? The only reason people use COD as the go-to bad example is because it is well known by non-gamers (or simply parroted). There are many games that would be a better focal point. Outside of the one mission in a COD game from 10 years ago, there is nothing in a COD game that should be controversial, especially when compared to other forms of entertainment. Anyone that thinks a game like COD encourages someone to attack innocent people is just ignorant.
For every violent video game, there is at least a dozen movies that are even more violent, graphic, and realistic.
The people that say games encourage people to be alienated and withdrawn do not seem to be familiar with gaming clans and online communities. There are as many multiplayer titles as there are solely single player. It's also amusing that the games used as examples in these instances are usually multiplayer. A person that uses video games to isolate himself can just as easily use movies, books, music, or a thousand other activities.
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Posted on 8/6/19 at 6:22 am to sicboy
quote:Games today are quite different than 20-30 years ago. If what we watched and heard had no influence on our behavior there wouldn't be hundreds of billions spent on advertising.
I dont get why we are even bothering to entertain this tired dated theory that has proven to be the generic blame card for for any act of violence when people either can't think of another reason or just prefer to dance around the others.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 6:48 am to PhDoogan
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Getting mad because i could never beat that g=dammm dragon!!!!
As strange as it sounds you have to not focus on not falling. Focus on hitting the dragon and not getting hit; your reflexes will be surprisingly good at keeping you on the blocks.
Now this guy... could never beat him straight up. Had to stoop to the pause exploit
Posted on 8/6/19 at 7:05 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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My point is that alienation and lack of meaning is a problem affecting a lot of young people today, and I wonder if gaming might be associated with that.
I'd say yes. Interaction with other kids while growing up is a vital cog in the formative years of young children. Back in my day we played cowboy and Indians and "war" with the neighborhood kids. However, we didn't think once about carrying out those games in real life. Today's kids with their video violence games are very reclusive imo. We all know that's not a good sign, reclusiveness, when it comes to mental stability for interaction with other people.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 7:19 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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But the larger issue is that video game addiction is a gateway to alienation and resentment
Video games are a social outlet for kids. I would argue that, if anything, video games actually prevent/reduce mass shootings by reducing the levels of isolation outcasts experience and giving them a sense of community.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 7:25 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
.....a couple years ago I read a story of a gang related shooting. One of the victims survived the shooting with bullet wounds. He was an avid video gamer. I recall when questioned by police the victim said the wounds hurt real bad, and was surprised getting shot hurt so much. Apparently to him shooting (or getting shot) was like playing a video game.
Yep when you have a generation of angry young men raised playing violence themed video games there's always a chance one of them will flip out. You know take the illusion into reality.
Just sayin......
Yep when you have a generation of angry young men raised playing violence themed video games there's always a chance one of them will flip out. You know take the illusion into reality.
Just sayin......
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 7:36 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 7:38 am to GeorgePaton
From the 90s to today games have become more realistic and violent. Mature rated games are some of the most mainstream and highest selling games year in and year out.
Despite this Violent crime in America has fallen over the last quarter century by 50%.
If the video game theory was correct and it causes its user to become more desensitized and violent how has crime consistently fallen during this same time?
There has been no legitimate study that has come out that can link violent video games to violent acts carried out.
Despite this Violent crime in America has fallen over the last quarter century by 50%.
If the video game theory was correct and it causes its user to become more desensitized and violent how has crime consistently fallen during this same time?
There has been no legitimate study that has come out that can link violent video games to violent acts carried out.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 7:46 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I’m not trying to blame violent games for causing people to crack, but I don’t get why biden and trump got so much flack today for rightfully observing that not only are games getting more realistically brutal, but it often involves players killing humans.
I always found it grotesque for example that a COD game included committing a mass shooting at an airport
But the larger issue is that video game addiction is a gateway to alienation and resentment.
There’s a reason why people who played extensive amounts of sports in HS or were involved in other extracurricular activities almost never are the culprits of this bloodshed.
Video games are entertaining and can even be extremely education (about history) if you know where to look, but I do think they are causing teens and young men to lose meaning in their lives.
Couldn’t agree more. I don’t think people are honest about the escapism that gaming, especially PC gaming, leads to.
To be clear; I don’t blame video games, and don’t think their needs to be regulation, but to deny that it can perpetuate and enable some of the profile for these people, already a statistical anomaly to begin with, is dumb. What there needs to be is honest education so a home life balance can be common place. If your teenage son is spending 14 hours a day on his computer, masturbating, playing fortnite, and browsing 8Chan and an incel board, then something is wrong. That’s not a fulfilling life.
I will say, I stand with the people that are hyperdefensive about video games though. Regulation will not end well. Marijuana can trigger schizophrenia, that doesn’t mean we need federal regulation about marijuana and that more evil hasn’t been perpetrated in the drug war than would be by legal marijuana.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 7:48 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I'm just glad people like first person shooters more than war strategy games like Command and Conquer... we'd have multiple full blown war on our hands.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 7:48 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 7:56 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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But the larger issue is that video game addiction is a gateway to alienation and resentment.
I think this is the key.
I miss the days of trying to save the princess and knocking out Mike Tyson.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 7:59 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
I wholeheartedly agree with the OP and have used this line of reasoning before. Too many video games out there desensitize human life. Those games really shouldn’t be legal.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:05 am to TiketheMiger
quote:Increased incarceration rates.
If the video game theory was correct and it causes its user to become more desensitized and violent how has crime consistently fallen during this same time?
quote:Because it's low base rate event.
There has been no legitimate study that has come out that can link violent video games to violent acts carried out.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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There’s a reason why people who played extensive amounts of sports in HS or were involved in other extracurricular activities almost never are the culprits of this bloodshed.
Dont put the cart before the horse, video games dont make you anti-social, anti-social people often seek out video games as a hobby.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:06 am to PhDoogan
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p up down down left right left right B A B A select start.
Isn’t that the blood code for mortal combat on Nintendo?
Posted on 8/6/19 at 8:58 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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But the larger issue is that video game addiction is a gateway to alienation and resentment.
I'd say that video games provide a healthy outlet for those dealing with alienation & resentment.
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but I do think they are causing teens and young men to lose meaning in their lives.
Again, I think you have it backwards.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:01 am to Azkiger
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video games dont make you anti-social
They absolutely do
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anti-social people often seek out video games as a hobby.
They absolutely do
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:03 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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I don’t get why people get so defensive about shooters and video games
These type of games contribute to the dehumanization process and dehumanization is the first step in becoming a murderer.
This post was edited on 8/6/19 at 9:15 am
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:06 am to the808bass
quote:I believe this. It's a symptom of much more comprehensive issues, but certainly doesn't help.
Is it part of a larger picture? Probably.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:08 am to TeLeFaWx
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To be clear; I don’t blame video games, and don’t think their needs to be regulation, but to deny that it can perpetuate and enable some of the profile for these people, already a statistical anomaly to begin with, is dumb.
This. Claiming "games aren't a factor that's just stupid" is as silly as saying that games caused a shooting. The military uses simulations all the time for training; there's a good reason for that.
My boys (college) still play some of them, and they played all the FPS growing up. I played a couple of them as well. No big deal. But could that fantasy that you're a killing machine lead some already disturbed nutjob in that direction? Absolutely, and it's just silly to claim otherwise given what we know about how the brain is influenced.
Posted on 8/6/19 at 9:12 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
These people aren’t isolated because they play video games. They play video games BECAUSE they’re isolated. Playing online multiplayer games is their outlet to the outside world when shunned by their school mates. Video game addiction is a symptom, not the problem. These kids don’t know how to connect with other people their age and have no one to teach them. That’s why they retreat into video games. It provides a community, and an escape from reality. The problem isn’t the outlet they’re using to escape reality; the problem is that their reality is so bleak that they need an escape.
Plus, let’s not act like escapism is exclusive to autists who play video games. Most people engage in some form of mildly unhealthy escapism whether it be binge watching television, drug use, alcohol, excessive sleeping, eating their feelings, thrill-seeking, shopping, etc. We all have holes we try to fill with our addictions. The key to solving these issues isn’t in blaming the coping mechanism, but rather addressing why we feel we need to cope in the first place.
Plus, let’s not act like escapism is exclusive to autists who play video games. Most people engage in some form of mildly unhealthy escapism whether it be binge watching television, drug use, alcohol, excessive sleeping, eating their feelings, thrill-seeking, shopping, etc. We all have holes we try to fill with our addictions. The key to solving these issues isn’t in blaming the coping mechanism, but rather addressing why we feel we need to cope in the first place.
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