re: Are we getting the truth about how the war is going?

We are getting beat by a country that can’t land a kill from a 1000 rockets except for the one that malfunctioned and fell out of the sky killing a man in Gaza not by explosion.

It’s a big country. Be patient.

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I wouldn’t go that far, but some things don’t make sense. Moreover, it’s now believed that Russia and China are heavily involved in supplying Iran with weaponry. Iran doesn’t seem to be conceding anything.

Again I ask, what’s the objective and how do we achieve it without a ground war?

Also, in addition to financial strain, what are we willing to risk to “win” this war? Are we willing to lose a carrier?

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These are all questions worth asking. We might not agree, but they are worth asking without getting overwhelmingly downvoted.

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it’s now believed that Russia and China are heavily involved in supplying Iran with weaponry.

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At a minimum, they are suppling intelligence. Russians and Chinese are loving this, because they get to gather fresh intelligence about the effectiveness of US weaponry.

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Again I ask, what’s the objective and how do we achieve it without a ground war?

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Reasonable questions. I don't know about ground war, but at some point U.S. military will have to go in and secure Iranian uranium...even if it's buried under 100 feet of rubble.

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Also, in addition to financial strain, what are we willing to risk to “win” this war? Are we willing to lose a carrier?

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The war already isn't hugely popular. All it will take is one catastrophic event...a ship being sunk, sleeper cells in the US being activated, maybe a dirty bomb on US soil. None of these scenarios is outrageously far fetched. I don't think either will happen, but any one of those...or maybe even just $4.00 or $5.00 gas...will tank what public support there is.

now ask yourself the same question about Ukraine …. and where our tax dollars went to

The war already isn't hugely popular.

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The majority of the public think this military action was necessary.

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All it will take is one catastrophic event...a ship being sunk, sleeper cells in the US being activated, maybe a dirty bomb on US soil.

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This would only verify how ignorant it was to let in 20 million people unvetted. And worse yet for the democrats to cut off funding for homeland security when we most need it.

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None of these scenarios is outrageously far fetched. I don't think either will happen, but any one of those...or maybe even just $4.00 or $5.00 gas...will tank what public support there is.

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Have you seen the futures on oil prices two months out, its down 40 dollars from today's price. Seems the experts believe any price increase is temporary.

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Truth is the first casualty of war. It is hard to know what to believe. Just assume it’s somewhere in the middle

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This would be a bad policy. The US and Israel both have a reputation for honestly reporting these things. They will lie for strategic reasons but only spin for propaganda, at least most of the time.

The Iranian regime, as with all dictatorships, lies constantly. So if you assume a middle ground you will almost always credit the dictatorship way too much. I assume the truth is fairly close to what the Israelis and Americans are saying it is.

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wall to wall ground and aerial coverage in Iraq

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(I should add a little context: During this war the media would show the interceptor blowing up and would tell the public that this meant a success when it did not since that was simply what they did regardless of interception. There was a big celebration of this success night after night despite it being lies.)

Even then the coverage on missile interceptions were lies and propaganda...

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During the war, officials said the Patriots were extremely successful:
~80–90% success in Saudi Arabia
~50% in Israel


These numbers were widely repeated in media coverage.
What later investigations found
After the war, deeper studies suggested the effectiveness was much lower:
Some U.S. Army reassessments suggested maybe ~40–70% depending on definition.


A U.S. congressional investigation said there was little evidence many Scuds were actually destroyed.


One analysis concluded only about 0–4 confirmed warhead kills out of dozens of engagements.

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Bottom line
Patriots did sometimes hit Scuds.
But the famous TV footage greatly exaggerated how often they worked.

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Im hearing differing numbers on the number of Iranian launchers available. 3 days ago, it was about 100 left (Ryan McBeth). Another video today said it was down from 400+ to about 100 left (Cappy Army).

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It’s probably hard to tell because they might have a lot of drone, and missile, launchers left, but they are trapped in underground bunkers/depots where they were hidden from US and Israeli air power. If the IRGC could ever get them out they could be factors, but can they?

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At a minimum, they are suppling intelligence. Russians and Chinese are loving this, because they get to gather fresh intelligence about the effectiveness of US weaponry.

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I would call this a silver lining in an otherwise VERY dark cloud for both China and Russia.

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The war already isn't hugely popular. All it will take is one catastrophic event...a ship being sunk, sleeper cells in the US being activated, maybe a dirty bomb on US soil. None of these scenarios is outrageously far fetched. I don't think either will happen, but any one of those...or maybe even just $4.00 or $5.00 gas...will tank what public support there is.

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I think you are probably right on with this. We need to get this over with quickly to lower the chances of something like this.

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