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Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:05 pm to Vegas Bengal
Vegas, I can't help it if you didn't keep up with Kyoto. I guess you didn't keep up with Montreal Protocol either? Let those of us who know something about GW have a discussion while you go watch some soap operas.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:09 pm to Zach
quote:Anytime I ask you for a link to support your outrageous exaggerated statements, you answer like this. Thread after thread you start, post after post, and rarely, if ever, do you back up your insanity.
Vegas, I can't help it if you didn't keep up with Kyoto.
quote:
Let those of us who know something about GW have a discussion
Are you going to tell us how you had to walk 10 miles to school every day in 10 feet of snow?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:10 pm to Korkstand
quote:Right, and FWIW I didn't read that as your stance until recently. Kudos there. That acknowledgement alone is unique amongst nearly any of the AGW crowd, and it makes for basis of a far more intelligent discussion
I have never disputed that the origin of past major climate changes have been due to astronomical/solar/orbital factors.
quote:I must have missed it. Sorry.
you haven't responded to my last post in the other thread, so I will ask the question here.
quote:It would depend on the nature of the input. However, to be crystal clear, when you say "no positive feedback effects from CO2 (or anything else)" it intimates I'd discount any bio/terrestrial impact. I don't. Not remotely. In fact antithetically, that impact is significant. It is also complicated enough to severely challenge current analytical ability with regard to any single component studied in isolation. E.g., the cumulative addition of ~5.5GTs of anthropogenic (fossil fuel) CO2 to a >40,000GT CO2 environment, at equilibrium, accounting for a 25% increase in atmospheric CO2, or the isolated contribution of trace atmospheric CO2 to overall temperature in that highly interactive environment.
how do you explain the fact that temperature declines from max to min take an order of magnitude longer than temperature rises from min to max? If the only factor at play were extra terrestrial, wouldn't you expect temperature rises and declines to take about the same length of time?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:26 pm to Zach
quote:It would have been productive as far as reducing emissions goes, no doubt. Would it have been economically productive? No. We have to be smart about things, for sure. I think that should be the goal of the entire discussion... being smart with our resources and environment.
The solution proposed by Kyoto was the US sending a Trillion Dollars to the 3rd world. So, you think that's productive?
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Yes we do know the side-effects. Wind power was proposed in 1995. The argument against it was that the blades are gonna kill a ton of birds. Look what happened 18 years later?
Oh, please. Power lines, cars, and even fricking windows EACH kill about 1000 times more birds each year than windmills. If we built enough windmills to power the entire country, we would still kill 30 times as many birds driving our cars around. Killing birds and other animals is a side-effect of us building ANYTHING. Get out of here with that ridiculous argument.
quote:"Side effects"? Inefficiency does not equal side effects. Besides, how do these "side effects" compare to the side effects of burning fossil fuels? Not to be rude, but you are really making yourself out to be a fool.
All of the side effects of solar being inefficient, electric cars not having range, geo thermal, wave, co-gen ...were all known 20 years ago.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:27 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:28 pm to Vegas Bengal
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Are you going to tell us how you had to walk 10 miles to school every day in 10 feet of snow?
it only counts if it was uphill both ways.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:37 pm to Korkstand
quote:Eagle choppers
If we built enough windmills
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:47 pm to NC_Tigah
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Eagle choppers
Yeah, and we should start calling power lines "bird fryers", cars "bird smashers", and windows "birds-fight-themselves-to-the-death-erizers"Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:48 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
Anytime I ask you for a link to support your outrageous exaggerated statements, you answer like this.
Vegas, I'm going to use an analogy. If Bob and John are having a discussion about the key Civil War battles and Fred chimes in 'what is a war?' then Bob and John will tell Fred to go out and play.
EVERYONE who has studied GW knows what Kyoto and Montreal involved. Especially those of us who studied it while it was actually HAPPENING.
Why don't you just give me a laughy emoticon and then go research some of the stuff that I did. You can start with Albedo Effect since it starts with 'A.'
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:51 pm to Zach
quote:
Vegas, I'm going to use an analogy. If Bob and John are having a discussion about the key Civil War battles and Fred chimes in 'what is a war?' then Bob and John will tell Fred to go out and play.
EVERYONE who has studied GW knows what Kyoto and Montreal involved. Especially those of us who studied it while it was actually HAPPENING.
Why don't you just give me a laughy emoticon and then go research some of the stuff that I did. You can start with Albedo Effect since it starts with 'A.'
In other words, you're full of shite and you were pulling the $1 trillion out of your arse and you're about as qualified to discuss global warming as you are the greatest hits of ABBA.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:54 pm to Korkstand
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Would it have been economically productive?
That's a known side effect. You just said we don't know about side effects.
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Oh, please. Power lines, cars, and even fricking windows EACH kill about 1000 times more birds each year than windmills. If we built enough windmills to power the entire country, we would still kill 30 times as many birds driving our cars around. Killing birds and other animals is a side-effect of us building ANYTHING. Get out of here with that ridiculous argument.
I've never heard of an eagle running into car. Do you have a pic?
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Besides, how do these "side effects" compare to the side effects of burning fossil fuels?
There are no side effects of burning FF. Can't you read? Man made GW is a HOAX. There are no impacts. It's a lie.
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but you are really making yourself out to be a fool.
Why? Because I don't buy what Al Gore is selling?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:56 pm to Korkstand
quote:E=mc2
Yeah, and we should start calling power lines "bird fryers", cars "bird smashers", and windows "birds-fight-themselves-to-the-death-erizers"
where E = eagles; m = windmills, c = chopped parts
ETA: IKIKIK . . . it should be c=mE2 (but not as fun put that way)
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:57 pm to Vegas Bengal
quote:
In other words, you're full of shite and you were pulling the $1 trillion out of your arse and you're about as qualified to discuss global warming as you are the greatest hits of ABBA.
1. In other words, I think you're too ignorant on this subject to bother with. It would take days of research and linkage to catch you up to primate level.
2. I'm an expert on ABBA. "Take a Chance on Me".
I'm a Bjorn Again Christian.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:57 pm to Korkstand
quote:
"Side effects"? Inefficiency does not equal side effects. Besides, how do these "side effects" compare to the side effects of burning fossil fuels? Not to be rude, but you are really making yourself out to be a fool.
He bases all of his arguments on what he can recall from 40 years ago, what he can read from disposed of newspapers at Starbucks and his ego. He actually has no experience, education or training in this area.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 5:00 pm to Zach
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1. In other words, I think you're too ignorant on this subject to bother with. It would take days of research and linkage to catch you up to primate level.
I asked for one link:
quote:If this is so, it should take you a 5 second google search. Far less than what it's taken you to go back and forth here.
The solution proposed by Kyoto was the US sending a Trillion Dollars to the 3rd world.
quote:I actually said that because I figured you'd have a cursory knowledge of ABBA, which is about all you have of GW.
2. I'm an expert on ABBA. "Take a Chance on Me".
I'm a Bjorn Again Christian.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 5:01 pm to Vegas Bengal
I sure could use a little global warming about now!!
Posted on 1/6/14 at 5:10 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I sure could use a little global warming about now!!
Yep, going to be lots of Co2 generated tonight, just to stay warm....weird huh?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 5:13 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I sure could use a little global warming about now!!
No kidding. The window installers have been here all afternoon . Gonna take a while to warm this place back up.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 5:15 pm to Vegas Bengal
I just find it ridiculously amusing that this board thinks the majority of the scientific community is either corrupt and out to scam them or not smart enough to see the catch on to how it's all a bullshite.
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