re: are there still people who still believe the earth is warming and man caused it?

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Do you have any idea how much he stands to make with his carbon trading firm if a carbon tax goes through?

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Its not a tax. A tax is something you pay to government. A an emissions credit is something you buy and sell in the open market. And he stands to make as much as anyone who wants to create a market for the securities.

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It's not every day you get to invent something that adds no value but increases the price of everything you buy.

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A free allocation credit system would neither add nor remove money from the economy. The prices of some things would go up - and the prices of other things would go down - in accordance to the law of supply and demand as it relates to those products and the right to emit CO2.

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And the ice breakers in Antarctica with the GW scientists are stuck in record ice. So, what's your point?

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record ice in the SOUTHERN hemisphere? Which I believe has already been pointed out, is having summer right now?

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What cycle?

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let me show you a pretty picture

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You think this based on what? Your guesses that you pulled out of your arse? That beats all of science?

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based on the fact that the sun was a-little less active this solar cycle maybe its a trend that the sun is starting to exit it's recent maximum and go to a minimum maybe not as bad as the maunder minimum but the solar activity which has gone down could at-least slow up the warming process if not cause the earth to cool slightly no ice age type thing but cool.

I'm not making this up

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even the liberal Washington post (well it was written by nasa which also supports GW) If a grand solar minimum caused a little ice age just 400 years ago why would it have no impact now.

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Its all about you, isn't it?

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and my family

my money that I earned certainly is

as soon as you take a vow of poverty and join a monastery, I will be the first to congratulate you

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And you'd prefer to leave impending disaster for your children and theirs?

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The impending disaster is happening in DC not in the OZ

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I'm doing my best to reduce hatred for and reduce active opposition to anything resembling "green" movements, one post at a time. I must say, it is exhausting work.

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I think you misunderstand our side, at large. It's not that I don't believe we have "any" effect - that indeed, is foolish - the effects of our transportations systems, consumption of water, waste and refuse all have significant impacts - crowding out natural habitats. I'd love to live a true "green" - be as clean as you can be, reasonably. I was a Boy Scout. Pack in, pack out. Leave it better than you found it.

But, at the same time, many of those on the left (I'm not singling you out or attacking you) want to present these problems in an alarmist way to gin up popular support. Then, when the dire predictions (crying "wolf") don't come to pass, many of these same people appear so crestfallen that they are not simply taken at their word, they attack those with whom they disagree.

I see no evidence of a cataclysmic shift in the climate. It gets colder, it gets hotter. Seasons change - some years there are many hurricanes and storm - others - not so many. If we are consistently warming for even 200 years - What difference does it make? The Earth has been much hotter (and sustained life) and much colder (and sustained life). Assuming we kill ourselves off (presumably one of the worst case scenarios), then all that CO2 emissions will stop, won't it?

However - I can easily see this for what it is - alarmism - and alarmism with a specific goal. To extract more resources from the West (and/or cause them to cripple themselves by severely restricting their energy usage), in favor of the developing world, particularly China, India and the African continent.

If all CO2 emissions in the US stopped tomorrow - IT WOULD NOT REGISTER A BLIP - because China and India dwarf anything we have ever done in that area. And, believe me or not, reducing emissions is about #750 on India's list of priorities and does not appear on China's list.

That would be a serious concern if I thought CO2 was a bigger problem than, say, solar activity, which I believe is the single biggest variable in global surface temperature of the Earth - and one which we can do NOTHING about.

Oops. Looks like I wandered into one of those green peddlers threads. That's some expensive snake oil, boys. Keep up the good fight.

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What needs revisiting? The water cycle is much faster than the carbon cycle. Water precipitates, CO2 lingers.

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So... Are you contending that CO2 does not have an effect on the amount of water vapor in the atmosphere?

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And the effect of different concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere has been calculated and verified by measurement,

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As an in-situ single variable experiment? Link?

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so what is your definition of "very little heat".

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Compared to the amount in water vapor.

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Remember that heat accumulates, too,

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Heat has to be held by something. Otherwise it will get lost to space.

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I'm doing my best to reduce hatred for and reduce active opposition to anything resembling "green" movements,

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That seems to be a presumption on your part. Who in this thread has come out in favor of pollution?

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one post at a time.

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No offense intended... But if posting on a message board is your greatest contribution... You are probably capable of much, much more.