re: Another Snow Job from JBE- Teacher Raises

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Biggest problem with teachers is assholes like you don't respect them and believe little Johnny when he says he didn't do anything in class and the teacher picked on him. Do a better job at home and good teachers will be willing to stick it out. The entitled generation started with the parents, not the kids.

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yeah, i'm sure it's that poster who is indicative of the problem and not the entire cultures who disregard education.

As my eyes scan down the Politics main page, I keep seeing

Snow, Jon

rather than

Snow Job

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Where do 4 months come into play? Most teachers work until the end of May and are required to come back at the beginning of August for professional development. There is also 2 weeks off during the winter. During both summer and winter breaks, though, most teachers are still doing at least a moderate amount of prep work for the semester.

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Not sure. But I do know at my child's school the teachers have AT LEAST two months off in the summer (June and July) along with a week off for Thanksgiving, "winter break" and Easter, and two weeks off for Christmas. That's at least 3 months+ right there.

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Teachers receive good benefits; a good pension and health insurance.

When health insurance costs spiked
due to Obamacare and other costs, did the teachers have to fork up more money or did the school boards cover the increases which were substantial?

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I'm sure you have an anecdote about a buddy who said teaching is a breeze and he probably is always out fishing.

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You obviously didn’t read my previous post, the one right above that one that said I’m an Assistant Principal of a MS and was a teacher for 9 years myself. I know the struggle, ok! I worked hard as teacher, got a masters became an admin, and work harder now. I’ve saved and pinched and now own a couple rental houses for extra income. And all those extra hours allow that to happen. I started making $27K/year and make $68K/year and another $1000/month from the rentals. I do what I love and can afford to send my kid to a private school too!
But I didn’t go to law school and didn’t go to Med school so I not expect to be paid like a doctor or lawyer. I didn’t chance everything as an entrepreneur, so don’t expect the profits that one sees and don’t think that he should be taxed out of the arse to give me a pay raise!

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When health insurance costs spiked due to Obamacare and other costs, did the teachers have to fork up more money or did the school boards cover the increases which were substantial?

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My deductible went through the fricking roof! I mean, it’s still great benefits and all, but my monthly payments literally tripled and the school system more or less said it was bc of Obamacare!

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The MAIN reason they leave is over regulation of their class rooms by our extremely numerous and unnecessary “administrators” in our school systems, idiotic implementation of standards (English teachers judging math teachers on classroom instruction techniques and vice versa), and the lack of ability to discipline problem/disruptive children. Not due to pay

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Truth, I work in the system (not a teacher) and this couldn't be more correct.

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And they knew it wasn’t a high paying job before they went to college.

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Yet in many states, it IS a good paying job.

The teachers unions aren't as powerful as they once was. Most teachers would accept higher standards / fewer days off in exchange for significantly higher pay, as well as changes in how raises are handled.

Under current systems, teachers just don't have a way to earn much more money based on experience/talent. Even the dumbass working the fry machine at McDonalds can make a lot more money over time if they work hard, gain skills, and advance.

I would love for a school system or two in LA to say, "we are keeping starting pay the same, but we are dramatically increasing the money available for salaries, and removing all pay schedules. Negotiate your own pay". The crappy teachers would fall out and the successful ones would get paid, meanwhile, more smart people would move into teaching.

Now, would the citizens of the local community be willing to pay additional tax money for that? I mean if the school are really good, and you didn't have to pay for private school, some of that money could be used for teacher salaries.

I respect the art of teaching. I’ve seen some talented teachers but not many. I’ve seen a lot of unmotivated, drones called teachers though. The system is warped.

It’s a socialized pay system that incentivizes longevity over performance so we get this mediocre pool of teachers who don’t give a flip about doing a great job because..... well what difference does it make?
They get tons of time off and most love that more than anything else. If they stick around long enough, they get tenure and become untouchable. They do just enough to make sure that happens. Then they get a pension. Then they either retire or go work in the private system and get paid plus benefits.

Get rid of the unions and Stop rewarding mediocrity.

It depends on the school system. Systems enrolled in the state plan saw increases, but generally not the same as districts that ran their own plan.

Employees usually have to pay a % of the cost (25% to 50% depending) so they do feel the increases though the school boards pick up a good chunk of that.