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re: Another article about “the Boy Crisis” that gives a different perspective
Posted on 8/31/25 at 1:55 pm to 4cubbies
Posted on 8/31/25 at 1:55 pm to 4cubbies
quote:That's bullshite. Men just don't require the same things from friendships that women do.
Men and boys aren’t maintaining close friendships because societal norms of masculinity discourage them.
I have a great way to "fix" the entire field of psychology:
Stop treating male issues with female prescriptions
Stop viewing male behaviors through the lens of what is deemed healthy for women.
Prime Example:
-Women feel depressed, generally when they feel unloved
-Men feel depressed, generally only when they feel powerless
-The solution in both cases, for therapists, is to make them feel loved and wanted. . .and to bolster self esteem.
-Result: Male suicides through the roof, because men feel loved but powerless. . .and therefore unworthy of the love.
Female self esteem is majority tied to relationships and how they are seen by others
Male self esteem is tied to their ability to control things around them for the better (food on the table, bills paid, Toilet fixed, etc)
The proper way, generally speaking, to break men out of depression is to make them feel powerful. Not powerful as in domineering over a person, which is where stupid female minds always seem to go, but powerful over their own lives and circumstances
Want to make a man less depressed? Give him a reasonably difficult task and ensure he completes it. Try it and see if I am right.
Men and women are different in damn near every way, but we play pretend, because somewhere along the way we decided to view male behaviors and perspectives as negative and oppressive.
/rant
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 1:57 pm
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Posted on 8/31/25 at 1:57 pm to jclem11
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You have flown way to close to the sun on this one seeking sympathy.
Seeking sympathy? For whom?
quote:
An insanely small number of men but not the average joe you walk past in the grocery store or you go to church with.
Your problems lie with the ruling class not Joe Six Pack the plumber or garbage man
It sounds like we can reframe this discussion from sex-based to status-based. People with wealth and celebrity are valued and everyone else is not
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:01 pm to Roaad
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Female self esteem is majority tied to relationships and how they are seen by others
Male self esteem is tied to their ability to control things around them for the better (food on the table, bills paid, Toilet fixed, etc)
Is this based on Your own observations or do you have expertise with this? This isn’t a weird dig, but a genuine question. The experts don’t always know best and observations are valid.
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:07 pm to 4cubbies
quote:All of Psychology knows this. The breakdown is in therapy prescriptions,
Is this based on Your own observations or do you have expertise with this?
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:07 pm to 4cubbies
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this based on Your own observations or do you have expertise with this?
This is the absolute truth. I have direct experience with this. As a man, being loved while also feeling out of control of my life makes me feel like a burden to the people who love me.
Whereas in women, suicide is often a cry for help or attention, for people to recognize her struggles, empathize, and take action, in men, it’s very different. Male suicide is often thought of (by the suicidal person) as an act of kindness, a mercy towards their loved ones. While female suicide is about highlighting their own suffering and getting people to care about it, male suicide is about taking control of their lives and saving the people they love from unnecessary suffering.
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:08 pm to 4cubbies
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Men still possess most of the wealth, power and influence globally. That's not typically a characteristic of an "expendable element of society
Typical stupid feminist incapable of recognizing the difference between a small subset of men versus men in general. It's like you all think we are on some sort of fricking team and if Bill Gates is powerful that somehow helps the guy crawling in the sewers that you would spit on if he smiled at you
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:09 pm to Roaad
I disagree with the assumption that women don’t value control. I think self-esteem is heavily tied to power for both men and women.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:10 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
My wife calls me fat and ugly. I don’t go to her for affirmation, lol. Luckily, I don’t need it.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:10 pm to Roaad
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Roaad
Preach mother fricker. Preach
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:11 pm to 4cubbies
If ya hate men, just say ya hate men. No need to dress it up in layer after layer of self-serving caricature and condescending Ladysplainin'.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:12 pm to Roaad
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All of Psychology knows this. The breakdown is in therapy prescriptions
And she would know this too except like most feminists and most liberals in general everything she knows about people who disagree with her she learned from people who agree with her. When she wants to learn about men she reads some bullshite count article like the one she shared in this thread written by a woman
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:13 pm to 4cubbies
quote:I didn't say that
I disagree with the assumption that women don’t value control.
quote:Heavily tied for men, much less so for women
I think self-esteem is heavily tied to power for both men and women.
A woman who feels loved and wanted is almost never a depressed woman. . .aside from severe mental illness.
A man who feels powerful, in the manner I described, is almost never depressed (even if they are generally alone)
Another example:
A woman who is willingly submissive to her husband, can have a good happy life if he is a good man
A man who is willingly submissive to his wife, is likely to be in a state of mental crisis that is going to manifest is horrible ways
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:16 pm to 4cubbies
It is not that women don’t value control. It is a question of control over what that is valued differently between men and women. Men care more about their control over material circumstances of themselves and those who love them. Women want control over the reputations, image, relationships, raport, and social status of themselves and those they love.
A man cares less about how he is perceived than his material circumstances. A woman is often the opposite. A man will derive significantly less suffering from a lack of control over bad reputation or social standing so long as it is divorced from his control over material circumstances for himself and his loved ones. A woman is the opposite. She cares less for control over her material circumstances than about having control over the image and reputation of herself and her loved ones.
As a result, women often desire the prestige of control while resenting the responsibilities; while men often desire the responsibilities of control while resenting the social obligations and expectations that come along with that.
A man cares less about how he is perceived than his material circumstances. A woman is often the opposite. A man will derive significantly less suffering from a lack of control over bad reputation or social standing so long as it is divorced from his control over material circumstances for himself and his loved ones. A woman is the opposite. She cares less for control over her material circumstances than about having control over the image and reputation of herself and her loved ones.
As a result, women often desire the prestige of control while resenting the responsibilities; while men often desire the responsibilities of control while resenting the social obligations and expectations that come along with that.
This post was edited on 8/31/25 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:23 pm to Lsupimp
quote:What is Mental Health Therapy in 2025, Alex?
condescending Ladysplainin'.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:26 pm to Roaad
I am not sure I know a guy that doesn't have 1 or 2 ride or die friends. They may only speak once or twice a month. . .but that is all the watering a male "friendship garden" requires.
When Ron Swanson gave his bit about his best friend and how they "still never talk sometimes" every man in the world knows exactly what he meant, and has that in his life.
Women have zero understanding of male relationships.
When Ron Swanson gave his bit about his best friend and how they "still never talk sometimes" every man in the world knows exactly what he meant, and has that in his life.
Women have zero understanding of male relationships.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:29 pm to Roaad
quote:
Women have zero understanding of male relationships.
Basically
Reminds me of possibly the greatest random quote I ever saw in random FB comments
quote:
Women get unreasonably salty when confronted with a situation they can't fit in.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Sounds like something my Mom would say (a Psychologist, if it matters)
Women get unreasonably salty when confronted with a situation they can't fit in.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:40 pm to texag7
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Didn’t read, downvoted.
Same.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:42 pm to 4cubbies
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Men and boys aren’t maintaining close friendships because societal norms of masculinity discourage them.
Absolute bullshite.
Posted on 8/31/25 at 2:48 pm to kingbob
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As a result, women often desire the prestige of control while resenting the responsibilities; while men often desire the responsibilities of control while resenting the social obligations and expectations that come along with that.
I see it the opposite. Women value control because they are responsible. Men value control because they believe it comes with adulation.
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