re: All the panicians freaking out about the MOU

Well said, Patriot. Just wait until this movie is over.

You should say a self inflicted catastrophe. This war never had to be. Like the old saying, when you got'em by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow. And hormuz was what iran was squeezing. There is no art of the deal here. Like trump said, we run out of oil in 4 weeks if hormuz isn't opened now.

Dude

You’re the panican. you panic if any negativity is expressed about trump.

There is no 5 d chess happening here. This is base level checkers

Explain to us the following

If we destroyed Irans nuclear capability in June 2025 as trump claimed, why did we have to go back and bomb again?

If we have destroyed Irans militarily, why are we agreeing to give them anything!?

Why isn’t Israel being held accountable for any of this?

Just for clarification, are the present panicans the same as the previous panicans?

Previous panicans didn’t want war, the new panicans didn’t want a deal, yes?

That’s a lot of panicking going on.

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Iran has agreed to give up their enriched uranium for real.

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Exact Terms of Iran MOU

This is not correct, the deal says:

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The Islamic Republic will maintain the current status quo of its nuclear program and the United States of America will not impose any new sanctions and will not deploy additional forces in the region.

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The current stockpile of highly enriched uranium is supposed to be "downblended" to a lower level of enrichment. They will keep their uranium.

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Name a president who's gotten us closer if you dare.

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Obama. As much as people on here will never admit it, the JCPOA had stronger terms restraining Iran's nuclear program, and stronger enforcement mechanisms. Like Trump's MOU, the JCPOA also included a commitment from Iran that they would not develop a nuclear weapon. In fact, Trump's MOU specifically references that the commitment to not develop a nuclear weapon is a "reaffirm" of what Iran had already committed to in the JCPOA:

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8. The Islamic Republic of Iran reaffirms that it shall not procure or develop nuclear weapons.

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You can say - but the JCPOA didn't include BOMBS as an enforcement mechanism. Sure, neither does Trump's deal. Bombing them has always been an option, just a bad one, because it fricks up the world oil market as we saw over the last few months.

The JCPOA also only included a release of 1.7 billion in frozen Iranian assets. Trump's MOU includes the following:

Release of ALL frozen funds and assets to the Central Bank of Iran:

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The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran

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Lifting of ALL sanctions against Iran, both those by the US and UN:

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The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the United Nations Security Council resolutions, IAEA Board of Governors resolutions and all unilateral U.S. sanctions, primary and secondary, in an agreed upon schedule as part of the final deal.

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Immediate waivers for all oil-related industry pending the lifting of sanctions:

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The United States of America undertakes that immediately upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions the U.S. Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives and all associated services including banking transactions, insurances, transportation, etc.

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And 300 BILLION dollars (Iran's entire annual GDP, 17,647% more than the JCPOA granted, in addition to the money they'll get from full sanction relief and unfreezing of all assets and funds) of investment, which will undoubtedly be funded primarily or entirely by the US (taxpayers, you and I), with minimal input from regional partners:

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The United States of America undertakes with regional partners to develop a definitive mutually agreed plan with at least USD 300 billion for the reconstruction and economic development of the Islamic Republic of Iran.

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Also, this is just a simple Memorandum of Understanding. The MOU specifically requires a full and formal deal to be made. The details of that deal could blow the whole thing up and we're right back to square one.

That deal with Iran was so good, Cuba is begging to be next.

Trump backed out of the JCPOA on May 8, 2018. He did not have to do that, he chose to. In doing so, he retracted all oversight or Iran's nuclear energy program, and it gave Iran permission to begin working towards a nuclear weapon again.

The reality is that Iran has agreed to nothing in Trump's MOU that they had not already agreed to in the JCPOA. In sum, Iran agreed to the following in Trump's MOU:

Open the straight of Hormuz
Don't build a nuclear weapon
Downblend current highly enriched uranium

They may agree to some additional oversight mechanisms in the final deal.

We had already obtained every bit of these agreements from Iran in the JCPOA. Yes, Iran got parts of their country blown up with missiles, and I'm sure the war hurt their economy too. Their military is weakened, though the leaders we killed were replaced by even more radical ones. And the 80 year old Ayatollah got offed in favor of a younger one.

But the reality is that Trump did not get the US anything it did not already have. The only thing we accomplished in this whole saga from backing out of the JCPOA eight years ago until now is giving Iran a black eye. On the downside, we increased inflation, increased the deficit and debt, expended military hardware and ammunition, screwed up the oil market, and damaged relationships with allies around the world.

Great. At least Netanyahu got what he wanted.

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If that's all Biden did I would have breathed a sigh of relief.

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Bull.

This board melted down for weeks (maybe months) in 2022 when Biden said he would use force to keep Iran from getting nuclear weapons.

All I heard for what seemed like years after that was, "He's trying to start WWIII for profit."

And that's just over something he said. He didn't actually do anything.