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re: Air traffic controllers say FAA hiring practices, ‘immunity program,’ led to DC plane cras

Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:22 pm to
Posted by m57
Flyover Country
Member since May 2017
2583 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:22 pm to
ATC here,

I'm not about to go read this whole thread but...

The crap about ATSAP being an "immunity program" is flat out bad reporting and clickbait. It is probably one of the best things that NATCA and the FAA have put out in terms of identifying safety issues. Submitting an ATSAP is by no means a get out of jail free card and reporting it as such is irresponsible.
This post was edited on 2/9/25 at 3:27 pm
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
37945 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:33 pm to
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Air traffic controllers say FAA hiring practices, ‘immunity program,’ led to DC plane crash

Horse shite!

I reject the reality proposed by some of the most disciplined and intelligent people on earth, and instead I choose to blame Trump like all the intellectual titans on Facebook!

Orange Man Bad!
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
22005 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 3:41 pm to
The anticipated 67 lawsuits 'depositions will discover who did/didn't do what when. With all that is out there re possible fault, plaintiff attys are chomping at the bits to start filing for depositions.
Posted by namvet6566
Member since Oct 2012
7845 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 8:58 pm to


I grew up with him… he was not…. Did you know him did you ever speak with him Of course not You are just like the rest

A Dumbass
Posted by cadillacattack
the ATL
Member since May 2020
10763 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:00 pm to

Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
55427 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:47 pm to
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Did you know him did you ever speak with him Of course not You are just like the rest

A Dumbass

I did not know him personally. Since you ask, I did talk to him once when he walked into the Wendys at which I worked when I was 16.

You make a doubtful argument, that we must have a personal relationship with a notorious person in order to judge him. And you make this implication on a message board full of posters with opinions about Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and hordes of other people we’ve never met.

Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
28543 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:55 pm to
The air traffic controller on the DC recording was a white male.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Pronoun: Whatever
Member since Apr 2024
10590 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 10:23 pm to
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The air traffic controller on the DC recording was a white male.


Who was the other one that would have made for the normal two covering that area at that time?
Posted by namvet6566
Member since Oct 2012
7845 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 11:06 pm to


Point Taken
Posted by FOBW
N.O.
Member since Sep 2016
471 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 11:07 pm to
Rather than being the main instigators of an accident, operators tend to be the inheritors of system defects created by poor design, incorrect installation, faulty maintenance and bad management decisions. Their part is usually that of adding the final garnish to a lethal brew whose ingredients have already been long in the cooking.? James Reason
Posted by ABearsFanNMS
Formerly of tLandmass now in Texas
Member since Oct 2014
20194 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 11:11 pm to
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I’ve listened to the audio. I don’t think the controller did anything wrong. This crash is pretty much solely on the helicopter pilot fricking up.


Former ATCs and professors said numerous mistakes were made by the ATC. One guy said he stopped counting at 6 errors.
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
1925 posts
Posted on 2/9/25 at 11:43 pm to
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Data from the jet’s flight recorder showed its altitude as 325 feet (99 meters), plus or minus 25 feet (7.6 meters), when the crash happened Wednesday night, National Transportation Safety Board officials told reporters. Data in the control tower, though, showed the Black Hawk helicopter at 200 feet (61 meters) at the time.


Do the videos clearly show the Blackhawk slamming into the plane when the plane was at 325 ft. How did the tower show the chopper at 200.

Something is fishy there. That’s why it’s been crickets.
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
33193 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:12 am to
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Consensus in the comments is that this was an intentional act

It looked intentional but we will never know since her social media posts were scrubbed. Could have been a suicide.
Posted by DefCon1
Member since Dec 2017
785 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 1:36 am to
Liberal policies lead to death, chaos, and destruction.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298906 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 11:19 am to
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Do the videos clearly show the Blackhawk slamming into the plane when the plane was at 325 ft. How did the tower show the chopper at 200.



Not sure, but appears to have been the case.

Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89722 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 11:20 am to
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Air traffic controllers say an FAA “immunity program” fails to hold people accountable for their mistakes, even with deadly consequences.



Dumb roger


quote:

The FAA was warned in a 2023 report that air traffic controllers were increasingly making last minute flight adjustments to deal with traffic and shortages of controllers in a trend that raised safety concerns. The safety expert report that warned America’s air traffic control system is suffering from quality-control issues and staffing shortages that put safety at risk.




This post was edited on 2/10/25 at 11:22 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298906 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 11:38 am to
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Dumb roger



Absolutely nothing says that was the problem here.

Y'all are worse than Progressives when it comes to gossip and bullshite. We dont even need an investigation, the rubes on PT have already decided.

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