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Air traffic controllers say FAA hiring practices, ‘immunity program,’ led to DC plane cras
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:17 am
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:17 am
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Current and former air traffic controllers warn that the Federal Aviation Administration’s hiring practices and “immunity program” have led to problems, such as those that may have resulted in the recent midair collison near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.
The FAA’s focus on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) hiring practices has resulted in the employment of less qualified air traffic controllers (ATCs) and a staffing shortage, former ATC's say. This, in addition to an “immunity program” that fails to hold ATCs accountable for their mistakes, are likely contributing factors American Airlines plane collided with a military helicopter on Jan. 29 that resulted in both aircraft plunging into the Potomac River near the Washington, D.C.-area airport. All 67 people aboard died.
The FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) are investigating the incident.
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Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:18 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Boom if I ever heard one. Lets see texdiddler defend this
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:19 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Wow... I didn't even realize I had forgotten about this. 
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:20 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Eh. ATC has some blame but doesnt explain heli pilot being too high
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:20 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Air traffic controllers say FAA hiring practices, ‘immunity program,’ led to DC plane crash
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Current and former air traffic controllers warn that the Federal Aviation Administration’s hiring practices and “immunity program” have led to problems, such as those that may have resulted in the recent midair collison near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:22 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Well, well, lookee here
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:23 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
I’ve listened to the audio. I don’t think the controller did anything wrong. This crash is pretty much solely on the helicopter pilot fricking up.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:23 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
Like all aviation related accidents there are a number of contributing factors in the accident chain. This may one.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:24 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
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an “immunity program” that fails to hold ATCs accountable for their mistakes
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:28 am to memphisplaya
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texdiddler
RexDiddler
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:29 am to HeadCall
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I’ve listened to the audio. I don’t think the controller did anything wrong. This crash is pretty much solely on the helicopter pilot fricking up.
Probably several contributing factors. There usually is.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:31 am to Cosmo
it was 100% on the helicopter, not only was it too high it turned off its tracking system
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The Army Black Hawk helicopter involved in the fatal midair collision near Reagan National Airport last week had an advanced tracking system turned off at the time of the incident, according to Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.
The Texas Republican on Thursday told reporters that the Black Hawk helicopter's automatic dependent surveillance-broadcast (ADS-B), which is permitted for military aircraft, was not active when it collided with an American Airlines passenger jet over the Potomac River in the Washington, D.C., area, killing 67.
"This was a training mission, so there was no compelling national security reason for ADS-B to be turned off," Cruz said
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:32 am to TigerintheNO
ATC failed to control the airspace as well, there aren't many solo fault aviation accidents.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:37 am to Cosmo
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Eh. ATC has some blame but doesnt explain heli pilot being too high
Lowering the standards for ATC personnel greatly increases the odds of fatal mistakes. Only leftists infected with toxically stupid ideology can't see that.
Trump is right too about the technology needing a serious upgrade. I saw on a pilot's blog that the radar is not so accurate in determining altitude being as much as 50 to 100 feet off. In this day and age, radar triangulation should be real-time and accurate within inches.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Probably several contributing factors. There usually is.
Yeah yeah the Swiss cheese model and all that nonsense. The Blackhawk was a few hundred feet off its altitude. They fricked up and people died
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:41 am to HeadCall
You clearly have never been on an aviation accident investigation board.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:47 am to Jbird
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You clearly have never been on an aviation accident investigation board.
If the Blackhawk is at or below 200’ like it was supposed to be the crash doesn’t happen.
But if you want to play the game then sure
It was late at night.
Blackhawk crew was on goggles
Blackhawk had ADS-B turned off.
Only one controller in the tower on duty
Runway change at the last minute
None of that matters if the Blackhawk flies at the right altitude though. It was piss poor airmanship by the Blackhawk crew.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:48 am to HeadCall
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They fricked up and people died
Too simplistic.
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Data from the jet’s flight recorder showed its altitude as 325 feet (99 meters), plus or minus 25 feet (7.6 meters), when the crash happened Wednesday night, National Transportation Safety Board officials told reporters. Data in the control tower, though, showed the Black Hawk helicopter at 200 feet (61 meters) at the time.
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:52 am to HeadCall
ATC is mandated to control the airspace, want to ban bet that the report will have a number of contributing factors?
Posted on 2/9/25 at 9:55 am to HeadCall
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It was late at night.
Blackhawk crew was on goggles
Blackhawk had ADS-B turned off.
Only one controller in the tower on duty
Runway change at the last minute
None of that matters if the Blackhawk flies at the right altitude though. It was piss poor airmanship by the Blackhawk crew.
Great you have identified some potential contributing factors and a probable causal factor, welcome to accident investigations.
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