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re: Ahmaud Arbery’s Final Minutes: What Videos and 911 Calls Show
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:36 am to CDawson
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:36 am to CDawson
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but the decision to stay on the actual road is a strange one in my opinion.
Evading to the extent of running to and through the yards of current residents (especially back yards and even moreso if there were fences) would indeed, IMO, be a fair indicator of having committed a crime(s). Seems to me he did just what a person who felt they had done no wrong would do.
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:36 am to the808bass
His worst mistake was turning right when he went out of the construction site. Turn left and this is not a story. He leaves the neighborhood by the only access point.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:38 am to Wolfhound45
And the McMichaels never even see him.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:40 am to davyjones
quote:Right. Imagine the scenario where he starts running through yards - and some other baw shoots him dead.
Evading to the extent of running to and through the yards of current residents (especially back yards and even moreso if there were fences) would indeed, IMO, be a fair indicator of having committed a crime(s). Seems to me he did just what a person who felt they had done no wrong would do.
Why was he so eager to get off the street? What did he have to hide? You don't go on other people's property. etc.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:40 am to Turbeauxdog
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I think of it completely differently, an arrest is inherently a physical confrontation, you are detaining their physical person, therefore you cannot define the act of arrest as an assault and place unreasonable legal hazard on the person to whom you have granted the power of arrest.
It makes no sense and any judicial attempt to do so is stepping way outside the role of the judiciary because it essentially nullifies the power granted to the citizens by the legislature.
And herein lies the defense of the alleged murderer's in its totality I would bet.
I state again, still shocked that the Jogger would run aggressively to the guy with the shotgun. As others have pointed out, much more had to have happened to cause this final action. I believe no chance exist of the Jogger being harmed or killed if the police arrive before that final hard left taken at the front of the truck.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:41 am to Wolfhound45
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His worst mistake was turning right when he went out of the construction site. Turn left and this is not a story. He leaves the neighborhood by the only access point.
Well, the law doesn’t exactly place an obligation on someone being hunted down to find the best escape route.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:42 am to rebeloke
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I am sorry Amud died but you don’t charge a dude with a gun who is trying to make a citizen’s arrest
Well you’re just as stupid as the dumbass rednecks who murdered a guy.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:47 am to the808bass
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It was pretty much just the facts in that video.
The video starts out with the phrase “He may have been jogging”.
How is that a fact?
He also “May have been killing a puppy” or “May have been handing out free money”.
What he “may have been doing” is not a fact.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:51 am to Antonio Moss
quote:True.
Well, the law doesn’t exactly place an obligation on someone being hunted down to find the best escape route.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:51 am to SECdragonmaster
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What he “may have been doing” is not a fact.
It's also irrelevant.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:52 am to Bulldogblitz
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did arbery think he was jet li and was going to flip the gun out of the guy's hands?
Well shite works in the movies and in GTA 5
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:54 am to Wolfhound45
Is Gregory McMichaels, in the back of the truck, pointing a gun at Arbery as he runs towards the truck?
I can't tell.
I can't tell.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:56 am to yesyesyall
quote:the brandishing of weapons and Billy the kid riding in the back of the truck. They continued to escalate by having his path blocked
i don't know where you're getting this "let's go scare this kid and teach him a lesson"
Posted on 5/19/20 at 11:58 am to YouAre8Up
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This post was edited on 5/26/23 at 8:31 am
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:02 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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citizen’s arrest.
Nonsense under these circumstances. Guy is jogging and has nothing (that I saw) in his pockets. If you see the guy running while dragging an air compressor you saw him walk out of a construction site with? Perhaps.
These guys looked like they were illegally deer hunting with dogs and a truck. Guy driving truck, guy in bed of truck, guy in second vehicle to film the carnage.
Hot take.... Don't murder with a cameraman.
The most telling part is when one of the guys starts riding in the bed of the truck with his handgun. That's the kind of bullshite we did when trying to hunt rabbits at night at the hunting camp.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:03 pm to the808bass
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You can think of it any way you like.
I was trying to be gracious, a mistake on my part for sure, but I’ll restate it more accurately.
An arrest is a legally authorized assault submitted to under threat of violence and/or legal hazard.
I say that with no ill view of arrest powers just an honest assessment of what it is.
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You aren’t going to find support for that idea in case law.
I believe you. “judges” often offer opinions that produce the outcomes they prefer rather than an honest and objective search for proper application of law. I’m also not surprised they would rule in ways that deter citizens from getting involved in law enforcement regardless of what the law says.
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The law was enacted for retail crimes
So, the law doesn’t define it such.
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Not for chasing people you suspect of crimes in your neighborhood. That’s probably important.
Correct, suspicion is not sufficient, in person or immediate knowledge is required.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:05 pm to Antonio Moss
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Well, the law doesn’t exactly place an obligation on someone being hunted down to find the best escape route.
Not a point being argued.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:10 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Sounds like citizens arrest is something you don’t approve of, take it up with the Georgia legislature.
I don't really approve of it, but its even worse when a couple of rednecks try and perform an illegal and unnecessary citizens arrest and end up killing an unarmed person.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:29 pm to The Maj
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See dumbass, I am anything but left..
You're also not very intelligent. I didn't make a comment on your political views, I'm stating a simple fact: white on black assaults get much, much more attention than black on white assaults, especially from liberals. I don't know if you're ESL or what, but that statement doesn't make a claim about your personal politics, it's just an accurate observation.
I find what happened problematic as well and have stated so on several occasions, but that doesn't change the truth of what I said.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 12:31 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Correct, suspicion is not sufficient, in person or immediate knowledge is required.
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