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re: Ahmaud Arbery’s Final Minutes: What Videos and 911 Calls Show
Posted on 5/19/20 at 9:30 am to CDawson
Posted on 5/19/20 at 9:30 am to CDawson
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What still astounds me is that the Jogger made the decision to run directly to the two guys with guns and made a direct turn to the one with the shotgun.
Of all the directions he could have run, I still have yet to figure out why he chose that route. That single decision ended up costing him his life that day. Sad. Lots of strange decisions were made in this scenario.
They had already tried capturing him at least twice, he had been in "flight" mode. Going by Occam's Razor I can think only that he realized "flight" wasn't working so he opted for "fight".
Whether he thought he was Superman or that he was just in panic or that he thought the gun wasn't loaded, we'll never know.
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Posted on 5/19/20 at 9:31 am to CDawson
quote:
What still astounds me is that the Jogger made the decision to run directly to the two guys with guns and made a direct turn to the one with the shotgun.
Of all the directions he could have run, I still have yet to figure out why he chose that route. That single decision ended up costing him his life that day. Sad. Lots of strange decisions were made in this scenario.
Yes, and that makes me curious as to what happened while he was being chased. Was he tired, frustrated, taunted, nearly tun over, etc? Did something during that chase make him do desperate as to charge the guy threatening him with a shotgun???
Posted on 5/19/20 at 9:39 am to CDawson
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What still astounds me is that the Jogger made the decision to run directly to the two guys with guns and made a direct turn to the one with the shotgun.
Sorry for the poor drawing. Arbery exits the construction site marked with the red marker and heads southeast on Satilla and then continues onto Burford. He doubles back somewhere around where my longer red line stops.
We don’t know what happens there. But based on the time, it is likely he runs back west on Burford and then takes a right and goes north on Holmes. He then decides that he should run back south on Holmes and that’s where the infamous video picks up.
Jennings is behind him on Holmes and joined the chase on Burford, so it would seem most likely that he’s been cutoff from leaving the neighborhood at least three times and he’s been running at probably a dead sprint for ~4 minutes. He may have decided that he was running out of options.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 9:53 am to CDawson
quote:You probably should watch the OP video.
What still astounds me is that the Jogger made the decision to run directly to the two guys with guns and made a direct turn to the one with the shotgun.
In short, two cars followed Arbery up and down the street for several minutes. He actually turned to avoid them multiple times, including the final moments when he tried to run to the opposite side of the truck as McMichael leveled a shotgun at him. Arbery had a car behind him, and the McMichaels in front. He was boxed in.
If McMichael had simply climbed back in the truck as Arbery trotted past, they could have continued following him just as they did for 4mins preceding the shooting.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 9:59 am to the808bass
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Jennings is behind him on Holmes and joined the chase on Burford, so it would seem most likely that he’s been cutoff from leaving the neighborhood at least three times and he’s been running at probably a dead sprint for ~4 minutes. He may have decided that he was running out of options.
Not especially relevant to the case, but out of curiosity , are the home lots fenced in this neighborhood? The easiest way to elude cars while on foot is to go where they can’t drive, and we obviously have seen him entering private property previously and demonstrated little apprehension.
I’m not expecting a man in flight due to fear to act rationally, but it’s odd he tried to elude them on roads.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 9:59 am to The Maj
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My comment was his reference to this board and these posters... In that aspect he still doesn't know what the frick he is talking about and neither do you...
I know which cases generate more discussion, especially from the left side of the aisle.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:01 am to NC_Tigah
quote:a deliberate (which is a stupid word choice) shot to the chest while he was being punched in the face. A bet you can't comprehend how stupid your statement is.
Finally, the fatal shot was also a deliberate chest shot. McMichael knew it.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:03 am to Turbeauxdog
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I’m not expecting a man in flight due to fear to act rationally, but it’s odd he tried to elude them on roads.
Yeah. I thought the same thing. I wonder if he ran into the woods on Burford and ended up on Holmes.
His path seems disoriented. If he had gone north on Satilla coming out of the house, he would’ve been out of the neighborhood in probably a minute, minute and a half. And would’ve never run past the McMichaels house.
ETA: looks like no fences in the neighborhood.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 10:05 am
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:04 am to BamaScoop
quote:this is your typical level of ignorance. It is well established that more than one government official felt they did have a right before the case became tainted with being in the national headlines. Guess you know more than they do.
They had absolutely no right to pursue that dude just because he went into a house under construction.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:06 am to Tiguar
quote:was my wife exhibiting suspicious behavior in a neighborhood with frequent suspicious behavior?
I'm gonna block you and your family in and point a shotgun at your wife for a "citizens arrest".
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:08 am to arcalades
The person with a gun stopping someone in a neighborhood for suspicious behavior isn’t going to be a hero to the courts. I know vigilante justice sounds cool on an Internet forum.
Reworded to be clearer.
Reworded to be clearer.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 10:09 am
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:12 am to the808bass
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looks like no fences in the neighborhood.
That makes it more and more bizarre he charged the guys with guns.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:13 am to Turbeauxdog
Eh. It’s easy for us to armchair QB this from both sides. Lots of dumb small decisions ended up in a really catastrophic ending.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:22 am to arcalades
quote:Look at Arbery's right hand when he's shot the third time. Arbery had released or lost grip of the gun.
A bet you can't comprehend how stupid your statement is.
McMichael pulled clear of him, directed the gun up, pulled the trigger, and stepped away.
Keep in mind Arbery had already been shot in the chest, and then shot in the hand after running for several minutes. He was bleeding out, and exhausted. The first shot was severe, and actually may have ended up being lethal.
You obviously didn't know any of that when you posted.
This post was edited on 5/19/20 at 10:28 am
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:30 am to the808bass
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vigilante justice
Come on now.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:32 am to NC_Tigah
98% of that video was very good, clear and accurate.
But WHY did they have to start out with “He was jogging”? Everyone needs to quit that narrative.
He was up to no good.
He was murdered and the guys should go to jail.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
But WHY did they have to start out with “He was jogging”? Everyone needs to quit that narrative.
He was up to no good.
He was murdered and the guys should go to jail.
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:34 am to rebeloke
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I am sorry Amud died but you don’t charge a dude with a gun who is trying to make a citizen’s arrest.
So am I supposed to let inbred hicks hold me at gunpoint until I arrive in this situation?
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:35 am to OMLandshark
No. You should charge them and try to take the gun.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:36 am to OMLandshark
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So am I supposed to let inbred hicks hold me at gunpoint until I arrive in this situation?
Sounds like citizens arrest is something you don’t approve of, take it up with the Georgia legislature.
Posted on 5/19/20 at 10:36 am to Flats
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especially from the left side of the aisle.
See dumbass, I am anything but left... You don't know what in the frick you are talking about, and you prove it yet again... There are plenty that are not "left" that find what happened here problematic...
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