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re: Afghan pilots assassinated by Taliban as U.S. withdraws
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:01 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:01 am to Indefatigable
I care as our fearless leaders got us into the mess. If we hadn’t, then I’d still be awful as a life was taken but it’s different.
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Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:03 am to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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The Taliban HAD to be confronted. They were the ones who were allowing terrorist training camps to propagate in their country. Our occupation of Afghanistan and defeat of the Taliban is why there has not been another 9/11. Also, when we went into Afghanistan, it shocked Iran, Syria and Saudi. They got a clear message that we aren’t screwing around and weren’t going to sit back and do nothing while they attacked us through their terrorist dogs.
Our problem is exactly the same thing we did in Iraq. We shouldn’t have just “conquered” the countries… we should have taken them completely over, installed Americans as rulers, governors, mayors, police, etc…. Instead, we conquered the corrupt and then gave it back to the corrupt. All we did was “monitor”, “advise”, and “provide security” for the corrupt.
Didn't it come out that all the financing came from the Saudis?
What really should have happened is we should have gone in, laid waste to Afghanistan since that is where all the training and camps were and never occupied it at all.
And if the Saudis did finance it, hit them strategically.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:06 am to fatboydave
This has been the rule for over 2000 years: STAY THE frick OUT OF THE DESERT
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:11 am to roadGator
I’m a huge conservative. And was pro Iraq war when I was like 12. But I think a lot of people realized the whole post 9/11 military endeavors were frivolous and we found out we were just repeating Vietnam all over again. And when we had a chance to reflect ... we wondered how the hard learned lessons of Vietnam were ingrained into us so vigorously could we suddenly jump into a similar imentrenched occupational war fighting an insurgency? You always lose.
But regardless
You can’t blame the backwardness on Islam
Sure Islam and Christianity are “competing” religions.
But Islam gave us Algebra (Algebra is a pervasive of Arabic “Al-hebra” btw). And in the golden age of Islam literacy rates and wealth were incredibly impressive.
These people are just dumb. Culturally genetically behind the curve. They were fricking goats a millennium ago and are still doing it.
But regardless
You can’t blame the backwardness on Islam
Sure Islam and Christianity are “competing” religions.
But Islam gave us Algebra (Algebra is a pervasive of Arabic “Al-hebra” btw). And in the golden age of Islam literacy rates and wealth were incredibly impressive.
These people are just dumb. Culturally genetically behind the curve. They were fricking goats a millennium ago and are still doing it.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:15 am to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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The Taliban HAD to be confronted. They were the ones who were allowing terrorist training camps to propagate in their country. Our occupation of Afghanistan and defeat of the Taliban is why there has not been another 9/11. Also, when we went into Afghanistan, it shocked Iran, Syria and Saudi. They got a clear message that we aren’t screwing around and weren’t going to sit back and do nothing while they attacked us through their terrorist dogs.
The United States government doesn't give a rip about terrorism. In fact, they want as much of it as possible, as the resulting wars and surveillance apparatus make the political class billions of dollars. The ideological and monetary foundations of Al Qaeda stem from one country: Saudi Arabia, the country that is our second strongest ally in the ME. The country that we give money and weapons to in order to carpet bomb Yemen into the stone age. If we were serious about ending terrorism, we wouldn't be allied with Saudi Arabia. But we're not serious about it. In fact, I believe the United States government allowed the attacks to occur to justify more war and more surveillance.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:16 am to bigDgator
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As corrupt as all of our intelligence services are, I don't think we will ever know the truth about what is going on in the world.
Well, I SAW the first tower burning live. Then I SAW the plane flying low, then smash into the second tower live. And then I saw them both come down. I saw live the hunk of burning, twisted metal that was the plane destined for the White House or capital hill. I saw live the flaming hole in the side of the pentagon. I heard and felt the raw, unfiltered desperation, confusion, shock, anger, and sickness live from the reporters as it was happening and from friends and family. We hadn’t been that saddened as a country since the Challenger explosion (which I also saw live).
There was NO HIDING that. And we KNOW who was responsible. And they all needed to die.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:24 am to fatboydave
No matter what you do, that place will ALWAYS be a shite hole. We shouldn't have ever tried to change what they are... savages
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:33 am to DevilDagNS
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Oh boy I can't believe I'm going to say this but......This was going to happen no matter who it was. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden, or some other president no matter how long we stayed ther
Not if he had a well developed withdrawal plan, so no.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 9:34 am to Northwestern tiger
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Not if he had a well developed withdrawal plan
What does that look like? At some point it ends with zero US troops on Afghan soil, right?
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:00 am to Delacroix22
What other religion justifies beheadings and tossing gays off of roofs?
Their trash religion is their motivation for everything.
Their trash religion is their motivation for everything.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:10 am to fatboydave
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:17 am to AU66
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This is the answer to Biden's how do you fight a modern army without F-15's , you just find out who the pilots are and get them when they are at the mall etc, not to hijack the thread but this is what a 21st century rebellion would look like.
Exactly. People are starting to realize that. There's going to be no containing it once it starts. This is the one county on earth where there's absolutely zero stopping that once it goes viral. None.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:20 am to Pettifogger
Pulling out of Afghanistan would be FUBAR not matter who did it. Biden is an idiot but this country was going to collapse the minute the US pulled out. Better that Biden gets the blame.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:20 am to fatboydave
Anyone that think the US should still be involved with fuggin Afghanistan needs to be sterilized
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:20 am to fatboydave
We screwed the same country twice. Really sad.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:23 am to sumtimeitbeslikedat
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Our problem is exactly the same thing we did in Iraq. We shouldn’t have just “conquered” the countries… we should have taken them completely over, installed Americans as rulers, governors, mayors, police, etc…. Instead, we conquered the corrupt and then gave it back to the corrupt. All we did was “monitor”, “advise”, and “provide security” for the corrupt.
You are suggesting the US colonize the Middle East?
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:25 am to fatboydave
Similar happened to ARVN in Vietnam.
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:25 am to fatboydave
i had this question a few days ago. Did we not train any combat pilots, no gunship pilots? why are they not carpet bombing the frick out of the taliban?
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:28 am to ninthward
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why are they not carpet bombing the frick out of the taliban?
They carpet bombed Afghanistan for 20 years and killed roughly 70,000 civilians in the process
Posted on 7/9/21 at 10:32 am to AU66
quote:You would lose 90% of your support, unless you think your side has the mentality of the Taliban. Citizens on both sides would turn in the assassin in the US unless you retreated into the woods / mountains.
This is the answer to Biden's how do you fight a modern army without F-15's , you just find out who the pilots are and get them when they are at the mall etc, not to hijack the thread but this is what a 21st century rebellion would look like.
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