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A Sad Collapse in Student Preparation at UC San Diego Was Inevitable

Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:18 am
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16194 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:18 am
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When professors at one of the nation’s top public universities start warning that their students can’t do middle-school math or write a coherent paragraph, the rest of us should pay attention. A new faculty report from the University of California–San Diego describes a “steep decline in the academic preparation” of entering freshmen.

Between 2020 and 2025, the number of UCSD students whose math skills fall below middle-school level increased nearly thirtyfold—from under 1 percent to roughly one in eight. The university has been forced to redesign remedial math to cover elementary-school material and create an entirely new course to reteach high-school algebra and geometry.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but…what did you expect?

Every force in American education has been working toward this moment. Covid was catastrophic, but the rot began long before. The UCSD report attributes the collapse to “the COVID-19 pandemic and its effects on education, the elimination of standardized testing, grade inflation, and the expansion of admissions from under-resourced high schools.” That last phrase is a euphemism for low-income, minority youths whose interest K–12 education’s love affair with “equity” is intended to serve. But the report exposes how intellectually bankrupt that impulse has become—as if we can get students to and through an elite university by force of will and noble sentiment rather than the hard, cumulative work of academic preparation.



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Posted by Rex Feral
Member since Jan 2014
15784 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 6:55 am to
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students can’t do middle-school math or write a coherent paragraph


To be fair, I graduated a top tier high school in 1995 and had to be re-taught in English 101 how to write a paragraph. I got a 20 on my first paper with a note from the grad assistant saying she was 'being nice'.

Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
13384 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:03 am to
You can’t hold students to high standards and test them to see where they are and not look racist.

So high schools choose to not look racist.

I’ve taught in a public high school for over 25 years.

Posted by Victor R Franko
Member since Dec 2021
1946 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:10 am to
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and the expansion of admissions from under-resourced high schools.” That last phrase is a euphemism for low-income, minority youths whose interest K–12 education’s love affair with “equity” is intended to serve.

My take on that last phrase is, K-12 school overloaded with illegal kids. Lack of documenting and or tax roles impacting the schools when these children show up for first day with school unaware of their existence.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85003 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:14 am to
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My take on that last phrase is, K-12 school overloaded with illegal kids. Lack of documenting and or tax roles impacting the schools when these children show up for first day with school unaware of their existence.



Imagine having 3,000 new kids show up in your district. And their first language isn’t English.


People like Tim Walz think this is a beautiful thing.
Posted by Sassafrasology
Member since Nov 2025
137 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:15 am to
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To be fair, I graduated a top tier high school in 1995 and had to be re-taught in English 101 how to write a paragraph. I got a 20 on my first paper with a note from the grad assistant saying she was 'being nice'.


I graduated 10 years earlier and I guess I was pretty lucky. My Junior year English teacher focused on English composition and taught us everything we needed to know to successfully make it through college English courses. They are lifelong skills. It was real simple: introduction with the thesis statement as the last sentence in the introduction, body and then conclusion summarizing what you just wrote. It’s a good basic formula that can be expanded or contracted based on creative needs.
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
31162 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:18 am to
A myriad of reasons. The biggest one imo is get rid of laptops in the classroom, homework should be on pencil and paper with a book, and ban cell phones at school entirely (to the point have cell signal blockers all over campus)
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22090 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:18 am to
I'm going to assume many teachers are wonderful at their jobs and have the best interest on the students. But I'm also going to assume in large cities many are union members and are really government employees who use their union to wrangle the best benefits. And then there are always the movers and shakers who push an agenda through the students. How else can a high school senior be diametrically opposed to their parents beliefs without having stepped out into the real world?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
26714 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:19 am to
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It was real simple: introduction with the thesis statement as the last sentence in the introduction, body and then conclusion summarizing what you just wrote. It’s a good basic formula that can be expanded or contracted based on creative needs.



They'd have to learn grammar first.

My son was a TA when he was in grad school at a large state university about 6 years ago, and he had kids who didn't know what an outline was. One turned in his entire paper in an outline format.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
134899 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:21 am to
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Between 2020 and 2025, the number of UCSD students whose math skills fall below middle-school level increased nearly thirtyfold—from under 1 percent to roughly one in eight.
and unbelievably, that isn't even the worst of it. Try measuring rhetorical logic and rational scientific analysis with those students. It will leave their math scores looking advanced by comparison.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292766 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:24 am to
Explains the competency crisis. People are plug and play, no real critical thinking or problem solving abilities anymore.

We're just monkeys sitting in cubicles pushing the right buttons.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
91750 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:25 am to
Grade inflation and pushing underqualified kids through is one of the largest contributors.

In many schools here in TX, teachers and principals alike are under tremendous pressure to push these kids through - english speakers or not. Principals will do whatever they have to do to lessen their retention rates. And it sucks for good teachers because they actually give a damn. Cash incentives for warm bodies seems to not be working.

Maybe ISD's should start experimenting with some performance based salary. Even crap teachers are getting paid over 100k/year here
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111838 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:27 am to
Mainstreaming
Social promotion
Policies against failing/holding back students
Moving away from PROVEN education methods

What could possibly go wrong?
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
2831 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:28 am to
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To be fair, I graduated a top tier high school in 1995 and had to be re-taught in English 101 how to write a paragraph.


That sounds like part of the problem. If the school was considered top tier and you needed to be retaught, then something is wrong with the standards.
Posted by BoomerandSooner
Top of Texas
Member since Sep 2025
850 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:29 am to
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A myriad of reasons. The biggest one imo is get rid of laptops in the classroom, homework should be on pencil and paper with a book, and ban cell phones at school entirely (to the point have cell signal blockers all over campus)


Make Cliff Notes and Crib Sheets great Again!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292766 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:32 am to
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They'd have to learn grammar first.


Yeah, I've been watching educational trends and most people in this nation are functionally illiterate.
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54% of U.S. adults read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level, and 64% of our country’s fourth graders do not read proficiently.
This post was edited on 11/13/25 at 7:33 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
134899 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:35 am to
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no real critical thinking or problem solving abilities anymore.
Correct. The emphasis is on rote memory ... what to think, rather than how to think.

Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18388 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 7:50 am to
Here in Trinidad I moved during the holidays for school. We had a meeting on Monday and they said school was back in session better set it for 9am given the traffic, I had no idea what that meant.

Monday I hit the road......and it was unbelievable the increased traffic.

Turns out they have CSE exams in 8th grade, you pick the 3 high schools you want to attend and your tests determine it.....any 3 schools in the country. So you have parents driving all over the place twice a day ferrying kids.

But it certainly does put peers with peers and add to the competition. Have one that is within a very tough neighborhood and the kids rank in the top 10 every year. Trophy case full of scholastic trophies, none for sports. Kids polite. I mentioned to the principal what a breath of fresh air. She said, its not me, if a kid is acting up, I have a dozen parents here, not bitching at me, wanting to know where the hooligan lives and they would ensure the parents got an attitude adjustment. She said we dont babysit, we teach.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
292766 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 8:03 am to
Yeah, we are a broken country. I dont know how we got so rucked up but here we are.

When half the people in your nation read below a 6th grade average, the future isnt very bright.

I suspect kids dont read books anymore, and thats a large part of the issue.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
92351 posts
Posted on 11/13/25 at 8:07 am to
Do they break this down by demographics? UCSD is like 40% asian
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