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re: A reminder we are winning

Posted on 6/23/26 at 10:02 am to
Posted by riccoar
Arkansas
Member since Mar 2006
5245 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 10:02 am to
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But those are good victories against somebody who knows how to cheat. And our own party won’t even pass the SAVE act.


I don't feel like that's gonna die. Trump knows how important it is. Look at the direction elections have gone in Latin America ever since USAID was stopped there. That is no coincidence. Democrats can't win without cheating

Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47873 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 10:02 am to
The argument can certainly be made that the left, especially the "woke" left, is losing the war of ideas. Open borders, trans issues, soak the rich, abolish the police, censorship, and openly socialist ideologies don't play well with the general public.

Its no secret that republicans have out paced democrats in new registrations, made significant gains with black and latino voters, and with political donations. Now, we are seeing gerrymandered districts crumbling and populations shifting from blue states to red states in meaningful numbers. Illegals are being deported in large numbers, which will cost dems in the coming census. Major election integrity reform is on the precipice of passing. USAID funding has dried up and left wing king makers in Latin America have lost their grip. Socialist regimes in Venezuela and Cuba are dismantled and Iran is decimated. Right wing leaders have been slowly sweeping into power in Europe and now the UK has just smoked out their woke PM. I could go on and on...

The left in the US has no viable candidate to compete with the likes of DeSantis, Rubio, and Vance. The powerful, old guard dems in congress are dying off and you are left with pussy-arse emotional lunatics like AOC running things. The best thing you fat frickers have going for you is algae. Yeah... we are winning.
Posted by honeybadger07
The Woodlands
Member since Jul 2015
4371 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 10:16 am to
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I’m not sure what is being “won”
I’m willing to listen, though.


Boarder security or nah that don't count?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87539 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 10:17 am to
Some counterpoints:

- We're probably a few years away from undoing all the immigration gains. We haven't changed how people think about this country at all, that I can see. Our own citizens still view it largely as an economic zone open to anyone who can get here. We have enclaves in Minnesota and Michigan and Texas (and many other places). They're not being dismantled. They're growing.

- We have a massive looming crisis among men and women. Thirty years of female-centric policy have left many men behind. The career outlook is bleaker and bleaker. The ability to date, the ability to own a home, etc. It's a genuine crisis of hope for many.

- Meanwhile, women are overvalued (I don't mean this unkindly) by a culture that promotes their frivolity (apps, the HR-ification of the workforce, etc.) That seems fun in the near term - as many men suffer - but is itself a looming crisis on the backend. We're at unprecedented levels of female misery already, despite that, and that is only going to grow as reality catches up with them.

I agree with you that there is still a bit of a reactionary moment going on. But I'm concerned it's going to fade, it'll face a backlash, and the decline will easily erase any gains achieved. I also agree our bench is substantively better. But does that matter?
Posted by theballguy
HSV (Dealing only in satire)
Member since Oct 2011
38593 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 10:38 am to
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I would like any of the smack tards downvoting you to make the case that things are objectively in a net-positive status with a straight face. They can't, so they won't.



Exactly. They just don't like to hear that orange can't really get shite done after over-promising.

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People have -got- to stop hero worshipping anyone that's elected. We need to have NONE of that shite. It should always be like sports fans. WHAT have you done for me lately? What are you doing? Are we winning? Or are we still a program on the decline?


You're right. That's the way things should be. But, people are stupid. Unfortunately that includes a lot of "conservatives". They can't think outside of their guy being some kind of savior who is in reality not getting shite done as promised.

Trolls and memes are nice and they make us feel good but if there's no real results, that's nothing but hot air.
Posted by TenWheelsForJesus
Member since Jan 2018
11485 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:10 am to
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I would like any of the smack tards downvoting you to make the case that things are objectively in a net-positive status with a straight face. They can't, so they won't.


Net positive or improving? The phrasing illuminates one's perspective. You have to stop the bleeding before the wound can heal. Some conservatives can be grateful the bleeding has stopped. Others complain because the healing process isn't over yet.

It's hard to claim we're in a net positive when we started so far in the hole. It's also hard when so many representatives that supposed conservatives elected fight every change the president is trying to make.

The point is that under Trump's leadership and within his authority, the nation is improving. Conservatives prefer to constantly complain rather than even acknowledge the slightest improvement.

The cultural rot that took root while conservatives slept will not be eradicated in one presidency.

So, the question then is, "What are YOU doing to change the culture?" Are you organizing like-minded individuals? Are you fund raising for beneficial causes? Are you working a campaign to get a good person elected?

Are you doing anything at all but complaining online? Are you involved in local politics or the school board? Do you canvas to promote good politicians or reforms?

Louisiana couldn't even eliminate the inventory tax because conservatives did nothing. The ones who didn't reflexively vote no did nothing to help. The proof is the people on here complaining that the elected leaders didn't do enough to inform the people. No citizen group was formed or sent out information.

Where is the self-accountability?

Conservatives love nothing more than to sit on their asses and complain about the people doing actual work.

A good example is H1Bs. They are lower under Trump than any other president, but people keep complaining that nothing is being done. Too many people refuse to acknowledge improvement because the problem is not completely solved. If they can actually bring themselves to acknowledge an improvement, it is always with the caveat that it is not good enough.

Where are the conservative groups to file lawsuits like the democrats? The people need to do their part instead of waiting on a savior and whining when one doesn't magically appear.

Too many conservatives expected Trump to fix everything himself. And when reality hits that one administration can't do it all, they bitch and moan and withdraw from the process.

How many times have we read on here that people were going to not vote or tune out?

Trump has done a course correction, but his administration can't do it all. It's easy to bitch. It's much harder to get off your arse and contribute more than taxes and votes.

Look what Scott Pressler has accomplished. Why are the people always complaining not following his example?
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
14584 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:27 am to
The only problem with the 4% inflation is that it's on top of the 5% or more inflation from the Biden administration. Prices are still going up, just not quite as fast.

Wages haven't increased enough to match the inflation numbers. We either need accelerated wage growth or a period of deflation on most common goods (food, fuel, etc.) to make most households feel like they are in a better financial situation.
Posted by junkyarddawg3
Metro ATL
Member since Nov 2015
1483 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:31 am to
I’m not sure who you mean by “we”, but I’m pretty happy.
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
23283 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:31 am to
quote:

A reminder we are winning


If you have to keep reminding yourself, and convincing everyone else, is it really "winning"?
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
4601 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:44 am to
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What was the rate in Obama's third term? The OBiden presidency?


What a reach---
Posted by somethingdifferent
Member since Aug 2024
2120 posts
Posted on 6/23/26 at 11:56 am to
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orange can't really get shite done after over-promising
Other than accomplishing probably more than any other president, sure. He "can't get things done."

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They can't think outside of their guy being some kind of savior
Sigh. This is so tiresome. Trump supporters on this board disagree with him all the time. This is the lazy "echo chamber" characterization that people make while ironically posting opposing opinions thus proving it's not an echo chamber. But, people are stupid
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