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re: a president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:34 am to UnrealEngine
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:34 am to UnrealEngine
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the problem is theres no evidence trump ever declassified these docs, the ones the FBI had to go take back from him. for something to be real, there has to be some evidence it exists.
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EDIT: remember this? ever wonder why nothing came of it and you never saw even one new page? well its because trump never actually declassified anything, there are steps you have to take, even if youre President, and trump couldn't be bothered.
Politico article from Jan 19 2021
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President Donald Trump on Tuesday authorized the declassification of a set of documents connected to the investigation of his 2016 campaign’s contacts with Russia.
It’s unclear which documents Trump has ordered declassified less than 24 hours before he leaves office. He cited the decision as based on the results of a Dec. 30 review he asked the Justice Department to perform. The department presented him with a “binder of materials” that remain classified, he said in a memorandum issued on Tuesday. Trump said he then asked for the documents to be declassified to “the maximum extent possible.”
The FBI responded that it believed that all of the materials should remain classified, but that some were particularly crucial and should at least be redacted.
“I have determined to accept the redactions proposed for continued classification by the FBI in that January 17 submission,” Trump said in his memo. “I hereby declassify the remaining materials in the binder. This is my final determination under the declassification review and I have directed the Attorney General to implement the redactions proposed in the FBI’s January 17 submission and return to the White House an appropriately redacted copy.”
Direct link to the memorandum (it was previously posted on whitehouse.gov but removed by the new administration)
This doesn't clarify whether the boxes taken by the FBI were the same documents he declassified before leaving office, but it is evidence that he followed the proper channels to declassify some documents.
The DOJ could clear this up pretty easily but I suspect they will go with the same game plan from Crossfire Hurricane, leak unverified wild accusations to the media and let them create the most damaging narrative possible for the useful idiots to slurp up.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 3:37 am
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:35 am to BoarEd
quote:you understand that Top Secret docs are sealed in locked pouches, right, and they have super colorful cover sheets filled with all kinds of warnings, they dont print the secret info on the cover, you get that, right? the agents are allowed to see the pouch.
Either the documents were classified and those agents didn't have clearance to view the documents
or in your scenario did trump mishandle classified docs so severely that he just sorta had them hanging around his tacky arse budget "resort"?
quote:zero actual evidence of that.
or they were declassified as we know they are
quote:I said this part once but I can say it again, none of the criminal provisions listed in the search warrant hinge on whether the documents recovered at MAL were classified or not, so it doesnt even matter, he's fricked regardless.
and they just stepped in an enormous pile of shite.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:42 am to UnrealEngine
You got him this time!!!
BTW the president was never impeached, he was acquitted twice.
BTW the president was never impeached, he was acquitted twice.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 3:54 am
Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:25 am to Strannix
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BTW the president was never impeached, he was acquitted twice.
That is giving credence to a true witch hunt.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 4:25 am to Strannix
Why do y’all give these tards the time of day? I don’t even engage them anymore. They’re scared shitless, let them melt.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 5:57 am to UnrealEngine
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you understand that Top Secret docs are sealed in locked pouches, right, and they have super colorful cover sheets filled with all kinds of warnings, they dont print the secret info on the cover, you get that, right? the agents are allowed to see the pouch.
What is this declassification process by the chief executive and by what authority?
Specifically lay it out. Is it different for different presidents? Has it evolved over time?
Of course you will never lay it out because you know an I know the chief executive has plenary power to classify and declassify.
You and the media will never define the process because you'd rather keep it ambiguous so you can just make up shite to get Trump.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 5:59 am to Strannix
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BTW the president was never impeached, he was acquitted twice.
Technically he was impeached twice and acquitted twice.
Impeachment is analogous to a criminal indictment.
Trial in the senate is analogous to a criminal trial.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 6:04 am to BoarEd
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I'm sure he had a lot of stuff they wanted to get back, but crossfire documents are almost certainly some of them.
If you had one iota of introspection and concern, you would wonder why the DOJ so desperately needs the Crossfire Hurricane documents out of DJTs hands.
Alas, we know the democrat foot soldiers are only fighting the war, not questioning their orders.
Once you believe, by any means necessary becomes your dogma.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 6:54 am to UnrealEngine
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or they were declassified as we know they are
zero actual evidence of that.
Except for the actual evidence posted in the post right above yours, you mean.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 7:46 am to GumboPot
quote:oh shite dude, you got me this time, Im on the ropes now, no way I talk my way out of this one. My hubris has betrayed me again, because if theres one thing I refuse to do its say the President has unqualified power to declassify things. except on page 1 of this 2 page thread, when that was the very first thing I said.
What is this declassification process by the chief executive and by what authority?
Specifically lay it out. Is it different for different presidents? Has it evolved over time?
Of course you will never lay it out because you know an I know the chief executive has plenary power to classify and declassify.
You and the media will never define the process because you'd rather keep it ambiguous so you can just make up shite to get Trump.
"right. yes. the president can declassify whatever he wants, that is correct. there is no one on the other side of that argument. youre not refuting anything."
thats me, genius. try harder.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 7:54 am to Bard
quote:dude. come on. Narbona even says, in that same post, that "This doesn't clarify whether the boxes taken by the FBI were the same documents he declassified before leaving office".
Except for the actual evidence posted in the post right above yours, you mean.
I greatly appreciate the intellectual honesty there, btw, because yeah, I assume trump did at some point declassify something correctly. that doesnt mean it happened here.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:03 am to tigerfan 64
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If you had one iota of introspection and concern, you would wonder why the DOJ so desperately needs the Crossfire Hurricane documents out of DJTs hands.
In the lawsuit against HRC, Comey and the rest of the DOJ/FBI crooks they do not want those Crossfire Hurricane documents to be admissible in court. The DOJ/FBI will say they are classified and part of an ongoing investigation and for national security reasons they cannot be entered into court and have to remain sealed.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:03 am to UnrealEngine
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I assume trump did at some point declassify something correctly. that doesnt mean it happened here.
How do you know?
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:04 am to UnrealEngine
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trump never actually declassified anything, there are steps you have to take, even if youre President, and trump couldn't be bothered.
No there isn’t. That’s a talking point of the mainstream media it’s completely fabricated. There is no “process” for the President.
He told the intelligence communities to release the entire file unredacted. They slow walked it on purpose so it wouldn’t be released.
Do people on the left really think the President rides over in the beast to the DOJ to “pick up” his declassified files?
Please stop with the “there’s a process” it makes you sound ignorant.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 8:30 am
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:04 am to UnrealEngine
So, who do you suggest has the right to bind him or otherwise diminish his Article Two authority? I don't see anywhere in Article Two where another branch has any say, so it isn't done by legislative act. Is there a limitation, self-imposed by some President in the past that sets these rules that you and the stooges in the media can point to?
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:06 am to TigerAttorney
Exactly. The President's Article Two powers are plenary. FULL STOP. It's not even arguable.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:08 am to UnrealEngine
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I assume trump did at some point declassify something correctly. that doesnt mean it happened here.
Tell me how you would possibly prove he DIDN’T.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:10 am to TigerAttorney
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There is no “process” for the President.
But Trump didn't put big red stamp on a manilla folder to be officially declassified.
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:11 am to BoarEd
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But those FBI agents will be. As will the Attorney General who signed off on the raid
I wish. They had a warrant. Regardless of how I’ll-advised it was in light of this ruling.
This is really on the magistrate. He should haven know of this precedent. It’s his job.
Even he will skate. “Oopsies!!”
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 8:12 am
Posted on 8/22/22 at 8:15 am to UnrealEngine
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I assume trump did at some point declassify something correctly
This phrase has no meaning. There is no correct way to invoke a process that does not exist. Why is this hard to understand?
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 8:18 am
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