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a president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and

Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:36 pm
Posted by Padme
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 10:36 pm
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a president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and solely his, as is his ability to declassify or destroy records at will.


Well I’ll be

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Old case over audio tapes in Bill Clinton's sock drawer could impact Mar-a-Lago search dispute

By John Solomon
Updated: August 17, 2022 - 8:56pm
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When it comes to the National Archives, history has a funny way of repeating itself. And legal experts say a decade-old case over audio tapes that Bill Clinton once kept in his sock drawer may have significant impact over the FBI search of Melania Trump's closet and Donald Trump's personal office.


The case in question is titled Judicial Watch v. National Archives and Records Administration and it involved an effort by the conservative watchdog to compel the Archives to forcibly seize hours of audio recordings that Clinton made during his presidency with historian Taylor Branch.

For pop culture, the case is most memorable for the revelation that the 42nd president for a time stored the audio tapes in his sock drawer at the White House. The tapes became the focal point of a 2009 book that Branch wrote.

U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson in Washington D.C. ultimately rejected Judicial Watch's suit by concluding there was no provision in the Presidential Records Act to force the National Archives to seize records from a former president.

But Jackson's ruling — along with the Justice Department's arguments that preceded it — made some other sweeping declarations that have more direct relevance to the FBI's decision to seize handwritten notes and files Trump took with him to Mar-a-Lago. The most relevant is that a president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and solely his, as is his ability to declassify or destroy records at will.


"Under the statutory scheme established by the PRA, the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion," Jackson wrote in her March 2012 decision, which was never appealed.

"Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records," she added.

You can read the full ruling here:

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memorandum opinion.pdf
The judge noted a president could destroy any record he wanted during his tenure and his only responsibility was to inform the Archives.


Posted by Herooftheday
Member since Feb 2021
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:15 pm to
Bump this in the morning
Posted by Nono
Member since Nov 2017
4820 posts
Posted on 8/21/22 at 11:55 pm to
Trump is trying to fight riggers.

Riggers don’t obey Marquis of Queensbury rules.

Trump needs to keep head on a swivel. Riggers never fight one on one.

They stole the election and have no intention of giving it back.
This post was edited on 8/21/22 at 11:56 pm
Posted by UnrealEngine
Coral Gables
Member since Aug 2022
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Posted on 8/22/22 at 2:36 am to
right. yes. the president can declassify whatever he wants, that is correct. there is no one on the other side of that argument. youre not refuting anything.

thats not the problem, the problem is theres no evidence trump ever declassified these docs, the ones the FBI had to go take back from him. for something to be real, there has to be some evidence it exists. and no trump cant just claim he did it but didnt tell anyone. the American government is not run on wishes, the President cant just have some secret thought and have that be official policy.

the entire point of declassifying something is to change how the government handles it. how are other branches supposed to change if he doesnt tell anyone about it.

most importantly, none of the criminal provisions listed in the search warrant hinge on whether the documents recovered at MAL were classified or not, so it doesnt even matter, he's fricked regardless.

Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48895 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 2:42 am to
The mere act or him removing a document declassified it numbness.

Posted by UnrealEngine
Coral Gables
Member since Aug 2022
63 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 2:51 am to
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The mere act or him removing a document declassified it numbness.
good luck arguing that the federal government is just supposed to read trumps mind and adjust accordingly.

y'all so desperately want this guy to be a king. he's not bigger than America, no one is, get over it.

EDIT: remember this? ever wonder why nothing came of it and you never saw even one new page? well its because trump never actually declassified anything, there are steps you have to take, even if youre President, and trump couldn't be bothered.

This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 2:58 am
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48895 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 2:57 am to
Keep melting bitch, why dont you worry about retard Joe destroying the country before our eyes you piece of shite. Dude can't even get in front of a camera. All you can do is cry about Trump who is still in your head 24/7.....guess what podnuh, he's coming back.
Posted by UnrealEngine
Coral Gables
Member since Aug 2022
63 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 2:59 am to
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why dont you worry about retard Joe destroying the country before our eyes you piece of shite.
hahaha, spare me your tough guy theatrics, Im not impressed, you sound ridiculous.

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guess what podnuh, he's coming back.
ok, cool, no major party candidate has ever lost the popular vote three times in a row, he would set an unbreakable record.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 3:02 am
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48895 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:01 am to
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popular vote


At least you're conceding he will be president again.

Muh popular vote
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 3:02 am
Posted by Jimbeaux
Member since Sep 2003
20113 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:06 am to
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y'all so desperately want this guy to be a king. he's not bigger than America, no one is, get over it.


Your Trump derangement is on full display. You are clearly in cognitive dissonance here. The continuous targeting of Trump by the DOJ and the FBI, including the now fully documented Russian hoax perpetration, while simultaneously ignoring obvious criminality by Dems is so overwhelming that it’s a national disgrace.

You are ignoring the fact that Trump met with the investigators at MAL months ago and allowed them access to the documents. They took some with them at that time. This is trumped up bs for the purpose of seizing records that they have no right to take.

There is good suspicion that they are trying to lock down records that Trump possesses regarding the Russia hoax activities that are especially damaging, with the intent to create an “open investigation” which will have the effect of sealing the records.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:06 am to
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right. yes. the president can declassify whatever he wants, that is correct. there is no one on the other side of that argument. youre not refuting anything.



The rest of your post contradicts your first paragraph. Spoken like an Orwellian totalitarian. Double speak.

Also, he had a standing order stating that anything he takes home with him is declassified. Further, even if he didn't, Mar-A-Lago has a SCIF on site and the residence is protected by the USSS.

Further, you need to re-read that article posted. The courts have already decided on a case like this. Bill Clinton went through this as well and the courts sided with POTUS, as they rightfully should have.

Keep wishing. One of these days you guys might get him. But it won't be this time.

Sucks to suck.

Pretty funny really. If what the FBI did was on the up and up, why oh why are they now under criminal investigation for it?
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 3:12 am
Posted by UnrealEngine
Coral Gables
Member since Aug 2022
63 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:17 am to
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The rest of your post contradicts your first paragraph. Spoken like an Orwellian totalitarian. Double speak.
in no way did I contradict myself. by all means point it out if Im mistaken.

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Keep wishing. One of these days you guys might get him. But it won't be this time. Sucks to suck.
ok, well, lets see, he was impeached twice, bounced out of the White House after one term by someone who'd never even won a primary before, he's ostracized in his beloved home town of NYC and instead has to live surrounded by people he loathes, and now there is a shockingly good chance he actually gets arrested.

what did you think "we got him" would look like, because in reality it looks a lot like this.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 3:20 am
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:20 am to
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ok, well, lets see, he was impeached twice, bounced out of the White House after one term, he's ostracized in his beloved home town of NYC and instead has to live surrounded by people he hates, and now there is a shockingly good chance he actually gets arrested.

what did you think "we got him" would look like, because in reality it looks a lot like this.




You have no business talking about reality. You're entirely detached from it.
Posted by UnrealEngine
Coral Gables
Member since Aug 2022
63 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:22 am to
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You have no business talking about reality. You're entirely detached from it.

we'll see. Im patient.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48895 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:22 am to
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he was impeached twice,


What???? How low is your IQ lmmfao
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:23 am to
Trump will not be arrested. But those FBI agents will be. As will the Attorney General who signed off on the raid.

It's impossible to argue the DoJs case here. Either the documents were classified and those agents didn't have clearance to view the documents, or they were declassified as we know they are and they just stepped in an enormous pile of shite.

Either way they stepped in an enormous pile of shite really. They fricked up big time.
This post was edited on 8/22/22 at 3:26 am
Posted by UnrealEngine
Coral Gables
Member since Aug 2022
63 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:26 am to
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You are ignoring the fact that Trump met with the investigators at MAL months ago and allowed them access to the documents.
not ignoring that at all, hell Im glad you mentioned it, because thats the other problem, he denied having any Top Secret or SCI documents, and the FBI knew he was lying, they removed three boxes full of them.

THATS what someone inside his little circle tipped the FBI off too, thats why the urgency.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
48895 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:26 am to
Desparation to get the crossfire documents
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:28 am to
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not ignoring that at all, hell Im glad you mentioned it, because thats the other problem, he denied having any Top Secret or SCI documents, and the FBI knew he was lying, they removed three boxes full of them


He had a standing order in place stating that anything he takes home with him is declassified. This has already been confirmed by members of his administration.

Again, sucks to suck. "We got him this time" you did not.
Posted by BoarEd
The Hills
Member since Oct 2015
38862 posts
Posted on 8/22/22 at 3:30 am to
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Desparation to get the crossfire documents




I'm sure he had a lot of stuff they wanted to get back, but crossfire documents are almost certainly some of them.
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