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Posted on 12/28/22 at 5:33 pm to
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
13269 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 5:33 pm to
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Oh we do know bc when theyre not jabbed (ie: Aaron Carter) it is mentioned in the article.



This is a great point. When not vaccinated, we are told. Sort of like shooters and other crime, that we are only told when they are not black or Muslim. Otherwise, there is zero mention of race or religion.

I guess that is the tell.

Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38370 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 5:35 pm to
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Immediately

Trump wanted to temporarily suspended air travel from China? Racist! Pelosi goes to China town for a photo op.

Trump couldn't tell you what moyamoya disease was and I bet 1000$ you can't either without looking it up.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
27189 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 6:09 pm to
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He was diagnosed with a disease

i.e. not "healthy"


And how do you know that the mRNA shot didn't contribute are cause the death of someone with MoyaMoya disease.

I don't know and you don't either.
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 6:11 pm
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 7:13 pm to
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Hypothetically -

There's a 20% spike in heart attack deaths in 30-60 yos w/o serious prior disease (obesity, heart disease history, etc).

You couldn't research what's causing this spike?


Such a spike doesn't really exist, but hypothetically - You can research such a change, and whenever there is one it would be the subject of numerous studies.

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So, let's say for example - the incidence rate for heart attack deaths from this population has stayed the same for vaccinated people, whether they've ever had Covid or not. But the incidence rate for unvaccinated Covid survivors has gone up 40%.


The categories are never that binary. We have unvaccinated and no confirmed Covid-19 infection ever, unvaccinated but previously infected, unvaccinated and infected multiple times, vaccinated (at all the various levels) with pre/post/never confirmed infections. You start slicing the group down into too many sub-analyses and the statistics don't tell you anything concrete about correlation.

Additionally you have the issue with using correlation to assign causation. Let's say someone was infected with Covid-19 in June of 2020, vaccinated in Feb/Mar 2021, boosted in Sept 2021, was infected again with a variant in Feb 2022, then died from MI in April 2022. What's the cause?

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I asked a question


And I answered it for you. I'm sorry that your question didn't give you the answer you like, but that's life.

What we can say with certainty is that to date there does not appear to be any sort of correlation between Covid-19 vaccines in the US and risk of serious adverse events. They do happen in rare instances, like with all substances injected into the body, but not in any volume that makes them 'unsafe' or would be worth the risk of contracting Covid-19 without the protection of vaccination.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
51883 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 7:18 pm to
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We have the right to know.
No, if my kid dies from some degenerative disease, you don't have the fricking right to know.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173754 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 7:20 pm to
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And how do you know that the mRNA shot didn't contribute are cause the death of someone with MoyaMoya disease.

I don't know and you don't either.

I don't know that you aren't a child rapist so I'll consider it a likely possibility. Hell I might even say it's more likely than not.

Sound stupid to you? It's because it is and it's analogous to what your stance is.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
55739 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 7:34 pm to
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We have the right to know. You don't have the right to know a dead 16 year old's vaccination status You don't have the right to know anything about his medical history But conveniently the article listed the disease that lead to his death


Do you think employers have the right to know an employees vaccination status?
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 7:45 pm to
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What we can say with certainty is that to date there does not appear to be any sort of correlation between Covid-19 vaccines in the US and risk of serious adverse events. They do happen in rare instances, like with all substances injected into the body, but not in any volume that makes them 'unsafe' or would be worth the risk of contracting Covid-19 without the protection of vaccination.

Do you believe your own lies?
This post was edited on 12/28/22 at 7:47 pm
Posted by Esquire
Chiraq
Member since Apr 2014
14813 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 7:47 pm to
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LSUAngelHere1


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Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
38370 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 7:48 pm to
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Do you think employers have the right to know an employees vaccination status?

That's pretty easy. Does a school that requires certain childhood vaccinations? I worked in hospitals for years. They required flu shots. Would they know whether or not you complied. I have always thought this experimental thing should have always been voluntary but businesses that made employment to continue based on the vaccine, surely they can require to know. You can always quit. It was a sham but yes, they have that right.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
27189 posts
Posted on 12/28/22 at 9:19 pm to
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I don't know that you aren't a child rapist so I'll consider it a likely possibility. Hell I might even say it's more likely than not.

Sound stupid to you? It's because it is and it's analogous to what your stance is.



That isn't my stance. You are wrong again as usual. My stance is not that he died of the mRNA shot, but that it is possible and that neither you nor I know which it is.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22732 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 12:15 am to
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What we can say with certainty is that to date there does not appear to be any sort of correlation between Covid-19 vaccines in the US and risk of serious adverse events.

We’ve got ten pages in this thread and the only thing everybody agrees on is nobody that matters has bothered to look for a correlation between vaxx status and excess death. The fact that’s the case is instructive.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 5:50 am to
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the only thing everybody agrees on is nobody that matters has bothered to look for a correlation between vaxx status and excess death.


We disagree on that, because it's been looked at extensively.

And disregarded because there is no correlation.

The fact that you're either unwilling or incapable of understanding this objective fact is your problem.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:45 am to
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The fact that you're either unwilling or incapable of understanding this objective fact is your problem.


Why was it so important for you Covidians to silence respectable Medical Professionals who didn't toe the company line?

Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:46 am to
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The fact that you're either unwilling or incapable of understanding this objective fact is your problem.


Is it your contention that at no time during the "Golden Age of Covid", did the good people at Pfizer, the Government, the Media or Medical Professionals engage in wholesale lying and intimidation to promote their Jihad?

Posted by bayoucracka
Member since Sep 2015
6898 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 6:52 am to
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Why was it so important for you Covidians to silence respectable Medical Professionals who didn't toe the company line?

So that they can say there’s no correlation between the vax and sudden deaths.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112894 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 8:15 am to
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So you could RA it?
Why? Are you and others too scared to answer my initial question?

The question was why was a 16 year old who died from a stroke as a result of a rare disease political?

No one can answer that, funny how that works.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 8:29 am to
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The question was why was a 16 year old who died from a stroke as a result of a rare disease political?


Easy: Because of the incredibly dishonest, nefarious actions by Democrats, Pfizer, the Media and Medical Profession during the Covid Plandemic.

We are simply playing by the rules the bad guys put in place.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
22732 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 9:32 am to
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We disagree on that, because it's been looked at extensively. And disregarded because there is no correlation. The fact that you're either unwilling or incapable of understanding this objective fact is your problem.

Enlighten us. Link us to this extensive body of research that proves mRNA vaccines have nothing to do with excess death experienced over the last 12-18 months.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22253 posts
Posted on 12/29/22 at 3:02 pm to
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Link us to this extensive body of research that proves mRNA vaccines have nothing to do with excess death experienced over the last 12-18 months.


Your lack of understanding here brings us back to my initial point. We can't design a scientific study to prove a negative - that's not how it works.

What we can definitively say is that there is no evidence that Covid-19 vaccines cause any wide excess deaths, despite voluminous research attempting to find a correlation or causal link. Were the link strong (or evident, or more than conspiracy theory) we would have expected to see it by now, given the population who have been exposed and studied post-exposure.



P.S. Any "excess deaths we've experienced in the last 12-18 months" are due to the global pandemic, not the vaccine.
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