What's the OB's Thoughts on Stricter Background Check Laws?

I've never posted on the Poli board and I'm not trying to make a political debate, so maybe we could not turn this into that.

Every school shooting obviously brings up AR debates and gun laws. One suggestion every time something happens is stricter background checks.

Are you opposed to that? Here were a few things the Chattanooga mayor mentioned...

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Licensing access to handguns and firearms, having a real licensing procedure which goes beyond a background check to include a waiting period and fingerprints and things like that. I think robust firearm removal laws like DV removal and extreme risk protection orders - some people call them red flag laws. We need to get - we need to ban high-capacity magazines. We need to raise the age to buy an assault weapon especially - but all guns - to 21. And we need also robust violence interruption programs and funding.

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1. Waiting period and fingerprints in the check
2. "Red Flag" laws. Temporary, and preemptive protective orders that authorize the removal of firearms from individuals determined to be at risk for committing gun violence against others or themselves.
3. Ban high capacity magazines
4. Raise the purchase age to 21
5. Violence interruption programs


I have hunted my whole life and I own and love my AR. It's my favorite gun to shoot and a perfect hog gun so I don't want a ban on AR's obviously. But I actually don't mind some of those suggestions.

1. I have never needed a gun immediately, so waiting a few days and giving fingerprints is fine with me. If there is one thing he mentioned that could potentially stop even just one shooting, this is the one imo.
2. Edit: Probably nah because they will try and take it further than temporary.
3. Nah.
4. Edit: Nah.
5. No idea what that is.

What say you? Why do you say yes or no?

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What say you?

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frick YOU. That's what.

how about some mental health improvement in the country.

When the current background check system fails it is due to the fact that the government failed in some way to report something to the proper agency.

So no I don't support giving the government more power because they fail at their job already.

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frick YOU

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Ok.

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how about some mental health improvement in the country.

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I agree

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Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.

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yup.

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If you can serve your country with weapons you should be able to own one.

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Yea that's true. Easily changed my mind on that one

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if it stops just one school shooting it's worth it

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Lets take this a little further:

What is the difference between the Uvalde and Nashville School murders?

Because the officers in Nashville acted immediately, unlike the Uvalde officers, how many lives did they save?

The murderer walked up to the school with multiple guns in her hands, on a belt and hanging from a sling in broad daylight. When will we realize gun free zones do not work and put someone in the school that is capable of potentially ending a murder before it happens? Instead of having to wait for someone to show up.

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You do not support the second amendment and you are not pro gun. Congrats, you are a fudd.

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What? I have a gun safe the size of a master closet. Being ok with 2 of 5 suggestion of background checks that are basically hypotheticals and don't include anything to do with taking my guns away does not make me not pro gun you doofus.

I do have the ability to have a normal debate though. I've already changed my opinion on one of them and we're not even on the second page.

Used to think some change would appease them, but itll only be the start

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One suggestion every time something happens is stricter background checks.

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The constitution was written to frame in the powers granted to the united states government by the people.

The first amendment bolsters the constitution by further restricting the government and specifically guarantees you the freedom from government persecutions for your speech, press, assembly, or religion and the ability to tell the government when you dont like something it is doing.

The second amendment is specifically in place to ensure the first amendment and the constitutional agreement by which the federal government is bound are not breeched.


Further, show me one school shooting where stricter background checks, fingerprints, or a waiting period would have prevented the shooting and where that prevention does not place an undue burden upon law abiding citizens practicing their rights.

When you sacrifice freedom in the name of security you lose both. Look at everything we gave up with The Patriot Act because of fear of terrorism.

Last Christmas a psycho drove his SUV through a children's parade. No one called for common sense SUV control or background checks on drivers licenses.

If you take away every single law abiding citizen's guns two things will absolutely happen:
1. Criminals will still get weapons
2. Innocent people will still die.

We desperately need to address 3 things immediately in this country:

1. Loose crime laws, apathetic DAs, and revolving door prison system

2. drug addict and mental health facilities and help especially focusing on rehabilitation

3. The nuclear family unit and importance of traditional dual parent households

I am a proud American and I spent the better part of my life studying the US constitution and governmental theory. There is no greater threat to innocent people than an out of control government. So any time you grant the government more power in favor of helping innocent people you better be absolutley damn sure the thing you're hoping to prevent far outweighs the possible harm caused by the power you just gave the government.