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What's the OB's Thoughts on Stricter Background Check Laws?
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:07 pm
I've never posted on the Poli board and I'm not trying to make a political debate, so maybe we could not turn this into that.
Every school shooting obviously brings up AR debates and gun laws. One suggestion every time something happens is stricter background checks.
Are you opposed to that? Here were a few things the Chattanooga mayor mentioned...
So
1. Waiting period and fingerprints in the check
2. "Red Flag" laws. Temporary, and preemptive protective orders that authorize the removal of firearms from individuals determined to be at risk for committing gun violence against others or themselves.
3. Ban high capacity magazines
4. Raise the purchase age to 21
5. Violence interruption programs
I have hunted my whole life and I own and love my AR. It's my favorite gun to shoot and a perfect hog gun so I don't want a ban on AR's obviously. But I actually don't mind some of those suggestions.
1. I have never needed a gun immediately, so waiting a few days and giving fingerprints is fine with me. If there is one thing he mentioned that could potentially stop even just one shooting, this is the one imo.
2. Edit: Probably nah because they will try and take it further than temporary.
3. Nah.
4. Edit: Nah.
5. No idea what that is.
What say you? Why do you say yes or no?
Every school shooting obviously brings up AR debates and gun laws. One suggestion every time something happens is stricter background checks.
Are you opposed to that? Here were a few things the Chattanooga mayor mentioned...
quote:
Licensing access to handguns and firearms, having a real licensing procedure which goes beyond a background check to include a waiting period and fingerprints and things like that. I think robust firearm removal laws like DV removal and extreme risk protection orders - some people call them red flag laws. We need to get - we need to ban high-capacity magazines. We need to raise the age to buy an assault weapon especially - but all guns - to 21. And we need also robust violence interruption programs and funding.
So
1. Waiting period and fingerprints in the check
2. "Red Flag" laws. Temporary, and preemptive protective orders that authorize the removal of firearms from individuals determined to be at risk for committing gun violence against others or themselves.
3. Ban high capacity magazines
4. Raise the purchase age to 21
5. Violence interruption programs
I have hunted my whole life and I own and love my AR. It's my favorite gun to shoot and a perfect hog gun so I don't want a ban on AR's obviously. But I actually don't mind some of those suggestions.
1. I have never needed a gun immediately, so waiting a few days and giving fingerprints is fine with me. If there is one thing he mentioned that could potentially stop even just one shooting, this is the one imo.
2. Edit: Probably nah because they will try and take it further than temporary.
3. Nah.
4. Edit: Nah.
5. No idea what that is.
What say you? Why do you say yes or no?
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 4:45 pm
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Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:10 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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What say you?
Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:11 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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What say you?
frick YOU. That's what.
how about some mental health improvement in the country.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:11 pm to iwyLSUiwy
guns don't kill people
that's all i got
that's all i got
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:11 pm to iwyLSUiwy
When the current background check system fails it is due to the fact that the government failed in some way to report something to the proper agency.
So no I don't support giving the government more power because they fail at their job already.
So no I don't support giving the government more power because they fail at their job already.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:13 pm to iwyLSUiwy
What wouldn’t you do to save one 9-year old’s life? That’s just an incredibly useless measuring stick.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:14 pm to bbvdd
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frick YOU
Ok.
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how about some mental health improvement in the country.
I agree
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:14 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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1. Waiting period and fingerprints in the check
Agree with a short waiting period.
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2. "Red Flag" laws.
Too much room for abuse and interpretation.
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3. Ban high capacity magazines
It wont have the intended impact. What is the realistic time difference in 2 ten round magazines and one 20 round magazine?
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4. Raise the purchase age to 21
If you can serve your country with weapons you should be able to own one.
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5. Violence interruption programs
I don't know what that is.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:15 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Shall. Not. Be. Infringed.
yup.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:15 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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iwyLSUiwy
You do not support the second amendment and you are not pro gun. Congrats, you are a fudd.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:16 pm to iwyLSUiwy
90% of all gun violence is caused by democrats so its easier to just outlaw any democrat from being able to own a gun until they complete at least 20 years of mental incarceration where they must denounce ever voting for or supporting democrats again and demonstrate they have and will use the ability for rational thinking.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:17 pm to Drunken Crawfish
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If you can serve your country with weapons you should be able to own one.
Yea that's true. Easily changed my mind on that one
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:17 pm to civiltiger07
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When the current background check system fails it is due to the fact that the government failed in some way to report something to the proper agency.
So no I don't support giving the government more power because they fail at their job already.
This. Plus what the frick is giving my fingerprint going to do? Legit question.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:18 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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if it stops just one school shooting it's worth it
Lets take this a little further:
What is the difference between the Uvalde and Nashville School murders?
Because the officers in Nashville acted immediately, unlike the Uvalde officers, how many lives did they save?
The murderer walked up to the school with multiple guns in her hands, on a belt and hanging from a sling in broad daylight. When will we realize gun free zones do not work and put someone in the school that is capable of potentially ending a murder before it happens? Instead of having to wait for someone to show up.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:20 pm to civiltiger07
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put someone in the school that is capable of potentially ending a murder before it happens
this instead of sending billions to Ukraine
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:23 pm to ChatRabbit77
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You do not support the second amendment and you are not pro gun. Congrats, you are a fudd.
What? I have a gun safe the size of a master closet. Being ok with 2 of 5 suggestion of background checks that are basically hypotheticals and don't include anything to do with taking my guns away does not make me not pro gun you doofus.
I do have the ability to have a normal debate though. I've already changed my opinion on one of them and we're not even on the second page.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:27 pm to civiltiger07
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Because the officers in Nashville acted immediately, unlike the Uvalde officers, how many lives did they save?
The murderer walked up to the school with multiple guns in her hands, on a belt and hanging from a sling in broad daylight. When will we realize gun free zones do not work and put someone in the school that is capable of potentially ending a murder before it happens? Instead of having to wait for someone to show up.
I agree with all of this. I think having someone capable of stopping a shooting would be much more successful in the grand scheme of things over stricter background checks. It would definitely deter someone to going into that particular school.
I think a day or two delay would possibly stop someone from doing an impulse shooting. Not nearly as successful as a capable guard, but possibly could help/potentially stop someone.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:28 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Used to think some change would appease them, but itll only be the start
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:29 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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Being ok with 2 of 5 suggestion of background checks
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1. I have never needed a gun immediately, so waiting a few days and giving fingerprints is fine with me. If there is one thing he mentioned that could potentially stop even just one shooting, this is the one imo.
2. I don't fall under that catagory but I'm not sure they even go about figuring out who would be a danger but I feel like that could possibly help as well. It's temporary for an at risk person, not taking it from someone permanently.
1. What if i could produce a story where a woman went to buy a gun for protection from an ex after she couldn't get a restraining order and had to wait because of a mandatory waiting period. Then her ex showed up at her house and killed her during the waiting period.
2. You don't think you fall under that category but someone else might think you do and then you lose your rights without due process. You already said you have a safe full of guns as big as a closet, some people might think that you were amassing an arsenal for a nefarious reason.
Posted on 3/29/23 at 3:30 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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One suggestion every time something happens is stricter background checks.
The constitution was written to frame in the powers granted to the united states government by the people.
The first amendment bolsters the constitution by further restricting the government and specifically guarantees you the freedom from government persecutions for your speech, press, assembly, or religion and the ability to tell the government when you dont like something it is doing.
The second amendment is specifically in place to ensure the first amendment and the constitutional agreement by which the federal government is bound are not breeched.
Further, show me one school shooting where stricter background checks, fingerprints, or a waiting period would have prevented the shooting and where that prevention does not place an undue burden upon law abiding citizens practicing their rights.
When you sacrifice freedom in the name of security you lose both. Look at everything we gave up with The Patriot Act because of fear of terrorism.
Last Christmas a psycho drove his SUV through a children's parade. No one called for common sense SUV control or background checks on drivers licenses.
If you take away every single law abiding citizen's guns two things will absolutely happen:
1. Criminals will still get weapons
2. Innocent people will still die.
We desperately need to address 3 things immediately in this country:
1. Loose crime laws, apathetic DAs, and revolving door prison system
2. drug addict and mental health facilities and help especially focusing on rehabilitation
3. The nuclear family unit and importance of traditional dual parent households
I am a proud American and I spent the better part of my life studying the US constitution and governmental theory. There is no greater threat to innocent people than an out of control government. So any time you grant the government more power in favor of helping innocent people you better be absolutley damn sure the thing you're hoping to prevent far outweighs the possible harm caused by the power you just gave the government.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 3:45 pm
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