re: What's the OB's Thoughts on Stricter Background Check Laws?

I wonder if we could frame the discussion in a way that doesn't involve surrendering a constitutional right?

Just spitballin' here

- Review budgets and find some bullshite to eliminate and fund meaningful mental health care options. I'm no fan of red flag laws, but suicidal/homicidal people should absolutely be flagged.
- Make it a rule that when the news shows gun crime, they aren't allowed to blur it anymore. Show people what really happens.
- This is a long shot, but I'd love to see the names of shooters never mentioned and instead of being recorded, they are eliminated and named anonymously. Grant no monster the fame they desire.
- Elect DAs that harshly punish criminals, in particular those that use firearms in the commission of a crime.
- Maybe something around fixing how agencies deal with known threats, and how those threats are communicated. How many times do we have to see an expected felon become an actual felon?
-Encourage firearm safety and activities to youth, even in cities. It's pretty rare for someone into hunting, target competitions, clay sports, etc, to be violent toward others with firearms. This also will help reduce ACCIDENTAL deaths by increasing the knowledge and respect of firearms.

If you have ever introduced "city" kids to weapons, it is pretty eye-opening how ignorant and dangerous they are at first, but they tend to learn quickly.

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I don't want a ban on AR's obviously.

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Yeah you just want to be the one who infringes on others' rights. You got yours so who cares.

"2nd Amendment supporters" and "conservatives like you are the worst, yes even worse than the bat shite crazy liberals, at least they straight up say they want to take everyones guns.

So just because you don't need a gun immediately a woman who has a crazy ex after her should be defenseless for some arbitrary period to satisfy your "feels"? Do you support an arbitrary waiting for all of your other God given rights? Where should requiring the Gov's permission stop? Next time you post submit an application and fingerprints and we will get back to you. It may take longer than usual since we have received a higher than normal volume of applications. Please be patient.

Do you think this will actually stop evil people from commiting crimes? Would you feel better if they used a knife?A baseball bat? Have you even researched the true number of murders committed with other weapons? Thake out suicides from the "gun deaths" and see what you have.

I'm not posting the info for you.Get off your lazy arse and do some research and quit eating all of the propaganda bullshite you are eating up.

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Which instance would you think would happen more often?

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You cant say something like "if it saves just one life" or " I support this because it might prevent one shooting" and then say " I didn't mean that life or shooting" when confronted with the counter point.

I spent the better part of my life studying political history, the US constitution, and governmental theory. There is no greater threat to innocent people in history than an out of control government. So any time you grant the government more power in favor of helping innocent people you better be absolutely damn sure the possible thing you're hoping to prevent far outweighs the possible harm caused by the power you just gave the government.

If you're asking me if I would rather put my trust in my neighbors and community or the government, I will choose my neighbors 100/100 times.

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how about some mental health improvement in the country.

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what does this look like and where does it begin? should a therapist submit a client's info in the NICS system? or does it start when someone is fully institutionalized? should people with mental health issues be barred from purchasing firearms at all?

essentially, that could've happened here for the nashville incident if it was allowed, but i can see that being an infringement.

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You cant say something like "if it saves just one life" or " I support this because it might prevent one shooting" and then say " I didn't mean that life or shooting" when confronted with the counter point.

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Dude I agreed with pretty much everything he said. I wasn't saying the question in a "you're stupid for saying that" way, it was a honest question of which one would save more lives.

I've already changed my opinion on one of the things suggested, I am open to change it on every single one of them. That's why I started the thread because I wanted to see how people felt. I would 100% be ok if they stayed the way they are.

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Yeah you just want to be the one who infringes on others' rights. You got yours so who cares.

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I got mine but I also plan o buying more throughout my life. This would not stop me from buying more. So yes, I got mine, but everyone else can still get theirs, this would not change that.

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"2nd Amendment supporters" and "conservatives like you are the worst, yes even worse than the bat shite crazy liberals, at least they straight up say they want to take everyones guns.

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Are you talking about me? Nobody is taking my guns, ever. And I don't want them to take yours. I don't think the POSSIBLE background check adjustment I kind of agree with changes that at all.

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Do you think this will actually stop evil people from commiting crimes? Would you feel better if they used a knife?A baseball bat?

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No. I think it could possibly stop someone. Do you think someone could go in a school and kill a bunch of teachers and kids with a baseball bat and knife?

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and quit eating all of the propaganda bullshite you are eating up.

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Where would I get that propaganda from? Just curious. Because I haven't listened to minute of CNN, MSNBC or any of the other democratic stations or any radio. None. At all. I haven't once posted on the Poli board in however many years I've been on this site. Thinking there could possibly be a small change in background checks and seeing what everyone else thinks is not me eating up propaganda dumbass.

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Banning high fructose corn syrup, seed oils, and processed sugar from this country or at the very least forcing a multi-day waiting period and weight check on anyone requesting them would save more lives and money than all mass shootings ever in this country added together.

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Yea I'd agree with that.

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We have so so so so so many more problems in this country than gun control laws they're not even really worth debating from a "what if it saves lives" standpoint.

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I know we do, but this is a popular debate every time a school shooting happens so I wanted to see every ones thoughts. I mean this is tigerdroppings, it's kind of what we do on here

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so I wanted to see every ones thoughts

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Shall not be infringed.

The constitution was written to frame in the powers granted to the united states government by the people.

The first amendment bolsters the constitution by further restricting the government within that established framework and specifically guarantees you the freedom from government persecutions for your speech, press, assembly, or religion and the ability to tell the government when you dont like something it is doing.

The second amendment is specifically in place to ensure the first amendment and the constitutional agreement by which the federal government is bound are not breeched.

As I stated earlier, there is not bigger threat to the health and safety of innocent people than radical unchecked governments.

So any time you grant the government more power in favor of helping innocent people you better be absolutely damn sure the possible thing you're hoping to prevent far outweighs the possible harm caused by the power you just gave the government.

If you're asking me if I would rather put my trust in my neighbors and community or the government to not harm me, I will choose my neighbors 100/100 times.

I am for banning Trannies and hoodrats from the 2A. That's all I got.