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re: Trump just announced ordering DOJ to look at banning bump stocks
Posted on 2/20/18 at 11:10 pm to ChatRabbit77
Posted on 2/20/18 at 11:10 pm to ChatRabbit77
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And elect people who are more pro 2A so we can repeal things like the NFA.
I'm on board. But this world is becoming more snowflake by the minute...hopefully generation z will help us out.
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Posted on 2/20/18 at 11:17 pm to SportTiger1
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I'm on board. But this world is becoming more snowflake by the minute...hopefully generation z will help us out.
We are more conservative than many think imo. The tide is turning.
Posted on 2/20/18 at 11:59 pm to The Rodfather
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I personally believe that moving the age to 21 for purchase would open less of a Pandora’s box (ie, I couldn’t see the narrative switching to “25!” because nothing else is pushed to that age) than if we add something else to a “ban” list (ie, “stocks aren’t enough, national magazine capacity, no “assault rifles”, all black guns should be regulated”...)
It's a bigger pandora box than you think. By agreeing to move the age to purchase an AR15 to 21 you are acknowledging their argument that AR15s are inherently more "dangerous" than non-AR15 rifles that you can purchase at 18, hence the higher age. This further demonizes the platform and give the libs a precedent to base further legislation against the AR15. The next step wouldn't be moving the age up further, it would be a ban and/or possible confiscation. Not to mention it is also a precedent for amending any rights in the bill of rights.
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You are probably right. But what's the play from the right? Just keep saying nope nope nope?
What happens when they don't control anything?
Absolutely! You stand your ground while you have control. The left's endgame is to eliminate 2A. When they get control they will pursue that unless some cultural change happens before that and it's no longer popular left opinion. Giving up concessions now is just less ground they have to cover to reach their goal when they get control. I say we dont give up shite and if it comes down to it and the left gets control they have to start from square one. As for Trumps popularity rating worries, the people want something that will actually stop these school shootings. The left media is telling them that is banning the AR15, which everyone knows is bullshite and won't stop anything. So, instead Trump should shift his focus to doing something to beef up security at schools, which will actually have an effect on the issue, have no school shootings for the next 2 years, get relected on the platform you saved America's youth, I get to keep my bullet hoses and the left can suck a dick.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 12:01 am to Propagandalf
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The left's endgame is to eliminate 2A.
It's as simple as this. And they will whittle away slowly if allowed.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 7:48 am to jimbeam
Hard core for the 2A here. Avid gun owner and NRA member supporter. Have had this conversation several times with hundreds of members, we can all agree that the "bump stock" is a gimmick accessory at best and serves no real threat to 2A rights. Its a fad accessory for this generation. If this is the pacifier that keeps liberals at bay so be it. I as well as 330 million other Americans can just print one at home its not a hard or skilled build at all.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 7:52 am to Boat Motor Bandit
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If this is the pacifier that keeps liberals at bay so be it
The problem is that it won't keep them at bay.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 8:56 am to Boat Motor Bandit
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we can all agree that the "bump stock" is a gimmick accessory at best and serves no real threat to 2A rights. Its a fad accessory for this generation.
truth
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:04 am to lsufan1971
wait till one of these fricks rolls into a school with two semi auto 12 ga with extended mag tubes loaded with 00 buck
then what....
then what....
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:32 am to Boat Motor Bandit
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we can all agree that the "bump stock" is a gimmick accessory at best and serves no real threat to 2A rights. Its a fad accessory for this generation. If this is the pacifier that keeps liberals at bay so be it. I
Almost the entire Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was based on ‘accessories’.
Do you think they will stop at bump stocks? What are you willing to give up next?
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:35 am to 10MTNTiger
I don’t understand why you people keep saying they are a gimick and have no use. Paddock fricking mopped up Vegas using bump stocks.
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
Posted on 2/21/18 at 9:43 am to Bossier2323
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Paddock fricking mopped up Vegas using bump stocks.
soooo this is their only use?
Posted on 2/21/18 at 10:54 am to oleyeller
Pretty serious use, wouldn’t you say?
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:02 am to Bossier2323
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Pretty serious use, wouldn’t you say?
no different than the rifles itself.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:04 am to Bossier2323
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Pretty serious use, wouldn’t you say?
my point was... if this is the only real use you can come up with.. that is EXACTLY why the lefts are pushing for the ban
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:28 am to Bossier2323
Ill argue my trigger speed is pretty damn close to a bump stock speed. Especially if that bump stock is in the hands of a guy that hasn't put about 1000 rds. thru one to learn how to use it properly. It has to stay in rhythm or its useless. I believe anyone that has used one for any length of time can attest to that. its not just pick it up and go auto.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:35 am to oleyeller
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Im okay with this.
quote:yea but some freedom loving person might.
I have zero desire
I have no desire to have a dog like oleyeller maybe they should ban those too.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:40 am to CarRamrod
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[quote]yea but some freedom loving person might.
I have no desire to have a dog like oleyeller maybe they should ban those too.
thats fine too, that is your opinion. That is the thing about living in america, we can all have opinions. But at the end of the day, we have lawmakers that will ultimately decide on those things. If you dont like it, go march, protest, write the president. That is your right.. personally, i could care less about a bump stock. It is useless gimmick that i have no use for.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:49 am to Bossier2323
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Pretty serious use, wouldn’t you say?
If he had used his rifles normally the death toll would have been much higher. He had a DD5v1 in there which is a .308 AR10. Had he used that it would have been even worse. Him using the bump stock caused him to make far less lethal hits.
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:52 am to oleyeller
The mentality to not give an inch isn't going to save the 2A though. Reasonable people are going to have to find the middle ground, this not allow any type of law is just not a winnable solution. The other side that wants the 2A gone is winning the new generation and they very much look like they will willingly give it up.
This post was edited on 2/21/18 at 11:54 am
Posted on 2/21/18 at 11:54 am to 10MTNTiger
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The problem is that he is giving an inch to these bastards and we all know what is going to happen next.
What happened to the assault weapons ban from 1994?
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