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The Panther Debate is Officially Dead
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:04 am
Gentlemen, yesterday the US Fish and Wildlife Service declared the Eastern US Cougar to be extinct. So all you folks that have seen the great cats can rest easy - it was just your imagination. They are being delisted from the endangered species listing as a result.
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Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:18 am to 10MTNTiger
Didn't so called "experts" declare the coelacanth "extinct" too?
Thought so.
Thought so.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:19 am to 10MTNTiger
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Eastern cougars, preying mostly on white-tailed deer in forests and coastal marshes, were declared endangered in 1973, even though no sightings had been documented for three decades. The last of their kind on record was killed by a hunter in Maine in 1938.
Sightings since then turned out to be wayward visitors from the West. For example, a lone male mountain lion was killed on a Connecticut highway in 2011 after traveling thousands of miles (kilometers) from South Dakota through Minnesota, Wisconsin and New York, the Fish and Wildlife Service said.
So every cat sighting is now a cat from the western US stock, except for the cats that migrate up from South Florida...
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:22 am to 10MTNTiger
damn, that is sad. I could imagine there are a few hunters who are happy about it.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:43 am to 10MTNTiger
1 confirmed trail pic
1 roadkill
1 carcass found in the woods
1 shot by a hunter
That’s all it would take yet none have ever happened
1 roadkill
1 carcass found in the woods
1 shot by a hunter
That’s all it would take yet none have ever happened
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:51 am to VanRIch
quote:About what?
Agree to disagree.
This is the part I think is most important,
quote:
Conservation groups said removal of the Eastern puma from the endangered species list clears the way for states like New York -- where the Adirondack Mountains contain prime cougar habitat -- to re-establish a mountain lion presence with animals imported from burgeoning populations in the West.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:24 am to 10MTNTiger
quote:
They are being delisted from the endangered species listing as a result.
Sweet, now I won't have to yell "he's coming right for us" before I shoot another one.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:49 am to AlxTgr
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re-establish a mountain lion presence with animals imported from burgeoning populations in the West.
Would it help control hog populations? If so, i'll dump a few on my property.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:13 pm to AlxTgr
I find it funny that northeastern states like New York would rather reestablish a wild cat population to control deer than just letting people hunt.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:17 pm to bapple
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I find it funny that northeastern states like New York would rather reestablish a wild cat population to control deer than just letting people hunt.
They have even gone as far as talking about police shooting them from helicopters. Instead of wasting tax money, they could generate more by selling more tags.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:23 pm to 10MTNTiger
well to be honest, they declare a species extinct and "sometimes" there are still a few around, just not enough for the species to survive or after a certain period of time with no reported sightings so its hard to be absolute about it. as someone mentioned, they occasionally find a few reported sighting of animals still alive that were listed as extinct
there probably arent any left and havent for many years, but there still "might" be a chance there are a couple still around, so you can never say never
there probably arent any left and havent for many years, but there still "might" be a chance there are a couple still around, so you can never say never
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:28 pm to bapple
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I find it funny that northeastern states like New York would rather reestablish a wild cat population to control deer than just letting people hunt.
Are you implying that they don't allow people to hunt in Northeastern states such as New York?
Apex predators provide a lot of benefit to ecosystems in which they are found. Check out what the reintroduction of wolves did to Yellowstone.
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:48 pm to 10MTNTiger
Debate isn't dead. There is no debate that wild cougars have been confirmed in "eastern" states. They are just western cougars
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:54 pm to Ron Cheramie
quote:the ones documented in LA recently have all been confirmed through DNA as western
Debate isn't dead. There is no debate that wild cougars have been confirmed in "eastern" states. They are just western cougars
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:04 pm to 10MTNTiger
Are you referring to the Black Panther debate? Yea, They don't exist and never have. A google search will tell you that.
Now the debate on whether cougars exist in Louisiana isn't a debate. Have seen one in Tensas Parish, and have seen various people's trail cam pics all up and down the Red and Mississippi as well.
I did not know that they were actually the Western species though. That is interesting.
Now the debate on whether cougars exist in Louisiana isn't a debate. Have seen one in Tensas Parish, and have seen various people's trail cam pics all up and down the Red and Mississippi as well.
I did not know that they were actually the Western species though. That is interesting.
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