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The Panther Debate is Officially Dead

Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:04 am
Posted by 10MTNTiger
Banks of the Guadalupe
Member since Sep 2012
4139 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:04 am
Gentlemen, yesterday the US Fish and Wildlife Service declared the Eastern US Cougar to be extinct. So all you folks that have seen the great cats can rest easy - it was just your imagination. They are being delisted from the endangered species listing as a result.

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Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21901 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:15 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89542 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:18 am to
Didn't so called "experts" declare the coelacanth "extinct" too?

Thought so.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45810 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:19 am to
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Eastern cougars, preying mostly on white-tailed deer in forests and coastal marshes, were declared endangered in 1973, even though no sightings had been documented for three decades. The last of their kind on record was killed by a hunter in Maine in 1938.

Sightings since then turned out to be wayward visitors from the West. For example, a lone male mountain lion was killed on a Connecticut highway in 2011 after traveling thousands of miles (kilometers) from South Dakota through Minnesota, Wisconsin and New York, the Fish and Wildlife Service said.


So every cat sighting is now a cat from the western US stock, except for the cats that migrate up from South Florida...
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:22 am to
damn, that is sad. I could imagine there are a few hunters who are happy about it.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
Planet Earth
Member since Dec 2007
38736 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:28 am to
Posted by VanRIch
Wherever
Member since Sep 2007
10402 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:29 am to
Agree to disagree.
Posted by EyeoftheEldrick12
Member since Jul 2012
1949 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:38 am to
This is BS
Posted by tilco
Spanish Fort, AL
Member since Nov 2013
13480 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:43 am to
1 confirmed trail pic
1 roadkill
1 carcass found in the woods
1 shot by a hunter

That’s all it would take yet none have ever happened
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81634 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 10:51 am to
quote:

Agree to disagree.
About what?



This is the part I think is most important,

quote:

Conservation groups said removal of the Eastern puma from the endangered species list clears the way for states like New York -- where the Adirondack Mountains contain prime cougar habitat -- to re-establish a mountain lion presence with animals imported from burgeoning populations in the West.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
33895 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:24 am to
quote:

They are being delisted from the endangered species listing as a result.


Sweet, now I won't have to yell "he's coming right for us" before I shoot another one.
Posted by Crawdaddy
Slidell. The jewel of Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
18383 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:40 am to
Bigfoot Believes
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28504 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 11:49 am to
quote:

re-establish a mountain lion presence with animals imported from burgeoning populations in the West.


Would it help control hog populations? If so, i'll dump a few on my property.
Posted by bapple
Capital City
Member since Oct 2010
11891 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:13 pm to
I find it funny that northeastern states like New York would rather reestablish a wild cat population to control deer than just letting people hunt.
Posted by ChatRabbit77
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
5861 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

I find it funny that northeastern states like New York would rather reestablish a wild cat population to control deer than just letting people hunt.

They have even gone as far as talking about police shooting them from helicopters. Instead of wasting tax money, they could generate more by selling more tags.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30025 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:23 pm to
well to be honest, they declare a species extinct and "sometimes" there are still a few around, just not enough for the species to survive or after a certain period of time with no reported sightings so its hard to be absolute about it. as someone mentioned, they occasionally find a few reported sighting of animals still alive that were listed as extinct

there probably arent any left and havent for many years, but there still "might" be a chance there are a couple still around, so you can never say never
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
24031 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

I find it funny that northeastern states like New York would rather reestablish a wild cat population to control deer than just letting people hunt.


Are you implying that they don't allow people to hunt in Northeastern states such as New York?

Apex predators provide a lot of benefit to ecosystems in which they are found. Check out what the reintroduction of wolves did to Yellowstone.
Posted by Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
5143 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:48 pm to
Debate isn't dead. There is no debate that wild cougars have been confirmed in "eastern" states. They are just western cougars

Posted by choupiquesushi
yaton rouge
Member since Jun 2006
30555 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

Debate isn't dead. There is no debate that wild cougars have been confirmed in "eastern" states. They are just western cougars
the ones documented in LA recently have all been confirmed through DNA as western
Posted by LSUFAN227
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
459 posts
Posted on 1/24/18 at 1:04 pm to
Are you referring to the Black Panther debate? Yea, They don't exist and never have. A google search will tell you that.

Now the debate on whether cougars exist in Louisiana isn't a debate. Have seen one in Tensas Parish, and have seen various people's trail cam pics all up and down the Red and Mississippi as well.

I did not know that they were actually the Western species though. That is interesting.
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