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Speckled trout meeting
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:59 am
Posted on 2/11/20 at 9:59 am
So I went to the meeting in Houma last night. There was a good crowd that showed up. The biologist’s presentation was ok but kind of leading in my opinion. I have my doubts about the stock assessment in general. Stock assessment consists of gill net sets and fishermen surveys. The problem here is that when the river is high it disperses the trout right? They keep setting the nets in the fresh water and come up with zero trout. Then they do their launch surveys in the same area and say oh well nobody caught any trout here. They caught bass, redfish, and some channel cats but no trout. Well no shite they didn’t catch any trout, it’s fresh water now. Those trout just didn’t vanish like a fart in the wind. They were displaced. When conditions improve the trout move back in.
It seemed most of the public would be comfortable with 15 trout and 12” size , but according to the biologist this wasn’t even an option. They also wouldn’t speak on population by estuary? I’ve said it before, I don’t see any lack of trout in the terrebonne/timbalier estuary. I don’t know about other parts of the state as I don’t fish those areas. They didn’t sound like regional regulations was an option.
It will be interesting to see what the ultimate decision is. Remember this, once they take it away they will never give it back!
It seemed most of the public would be comfortable with 15 trout and 12” size , but according to the biologist this wasn’t even an option. They also wouldn’t speak on population by estuary? I’ve said it before, I don’t see any lack of trout in the terrebonne/timbalier estuary. I don’t know about other parts of the state as I don’t fish those areas. They didn’t sound like regional regulations was an option.
It will be interesting to see what the ultimate decision is. Remember this, once they take it away they will never give it back!
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Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:14 am to Wolfmanjack
The problem is 10,000 guides fishing 247
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:15 am to Wolfmanjack
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It will be interesting to see what the ultimate decision is.
I think they already know what they are going to do. This dog and pony show is a waste of time and money.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:21 am to TopWaterTiger
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they already know what they are going to do.
of course they do. It's all marketing now. They need to make sure everyone is 'ok' with the decision before the decision is announced and to make them feel as if they had input when they really don't. It's like when you give your kids two choices for dinner knowing exactly which one they will pick, "you want brussel sprouts and curry chicken or do you want grilled cheese and dorritos?"
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:26 am to Wolfmanjack
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Speckled trout meeting
I hope I'm not the only one that read this and pictured a bunch of specks sitting around a table in a conference room or playing poker like these dogs:
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:33 am to Wolfmanjack
I'm fine with going to 14" size. Not a ton of meat on a 12" trout anyway.
They need to eliminate the guide's limit on charter trips too.
They need to eliminate the guide's limit on charter trips too.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:37 am to Wolfmanjack
There is no problem.
Wolfmanjack is right. We have had high water in the river for two or three years now.
There will be drought year soon and all of a sudden trout numbers will be huge.
Wolfmanjack is right. We have had high water in the river for two or three years now.
There will be drought year soon and all of a sudden trout numbers will be huge.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 10:40 am to Tiger Prawn
14” size limit was also very unpopular among the whole crowd. And yes I’m sure they already have their minds made up about the new regulations.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 11:03 am to Wolfmanjack
they wont be happy until they have texas limits, 5 fish 15" to 20" slot size only
thats what they want and they are intentionally rigging data to claim its needed
not just setting test nets in the worst conditions but also fudging data
i had them ask me at the launch what i caught, they just wrote down what i said most times and never once looked in my ice chest. i asked the girl "dont you realize most people will lie to you and say they didnt catch any just to avoid waiting around while you check them" she said "yes, but we are told to write down whatever people tell us they caught"
there is no shortage of trout in the marsh, trout are thick enough to walk on out there, you just have to go in the right conditions and places where they are that day
thats what they want and they are intentionally rigging data to claim its needed
not just setting test nets in the worst conditions but also fudging data
i had them ask me at the launch what i caught, they just wrote down what i said most times and never once looked in my ice chest. i asked the girl "dont you realize most people will lie to you and say they didnt catch any just to avoid waiting around while you check them" she said "yes, but we are told to write down whatever people tell us they caught"
there is no shortage of trout in the marsh, trout are thick enough to walk on out there, you just have to go in the right conditions and places where they are that day
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:15 pm to Wolfmanjack
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I don’t see any lack of trout in the terrebonne/timbalier estuary
Word. I’ll be at the meeting in BR tomorrow and hope to get some answers on mortality rate, etc
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:26 pm to Tiger Prawn
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They need to eliminate the guide's limit on charter trips too.
Charters in general should have different size/limit restrictions and be regulated more like commercial fisherman.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:36 pm to Mr Wonderful
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regulated more like commercial fisherman.
I dont understand why there is any difference between the two
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:48 pm to Wolfmanjack
When you get to clean water, the trout are there. This is a bunch of garbage backed with sketchy research. Fisherman need to get in the ears of their legislators. I could live with a 15 trout limit that is gradually established over two years( cut back to 20 and go to fifteen). I would like to know why Wildlife and Fisheries doesn't establish a hatchery. Of course, that might make sense.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:55 pm to bearhc
The hatchery question was raised. Biologist said the impact on the fishery would be too small to make a difference?
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:03 pm to Wolfmanjack
10 specks is plenty , don't be so greedy, think of the chirren
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:05 pm to bearhc
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I would like to know why Wildlife and Fisheries doesn't establish a hatchery.
You would have to establish one for every estuary. Most trout stay in one estuary their entire life so you would need one in Calcasiue, Dulac/Cocodrie, Grand Isle, Delacroix and Lake P to have it impact the whole state.
I just don't get how all of a sudden its now a problem. Have they not been actively following the data around the state?
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:05 pm to TopWaterTiger
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I think they already know what they are going to do.
I'm not so sure. As others have said, the science is a bit fuzzy. I think they will defer another year and get some better data, but who knows?
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:07 pm to Mr Wonderful
Why are charters different than a fisherman who fishes most days? For many people, charters are the only way they get to experience speck fishing. They may be limited due to distance, time constraints, etc. The fish are a public resource and charter customers pay taxes to the state and buy licenses. They also spend money on gas, hotels, restaurants, etc. Most will only go once a year. The 25 fish they catch do not have the impact of a hard core fisherman that catches 1000 in a year. I am a freshwater fisherman almost exclusively, guides fish in the same area I do and I do not begrudge the customers they have who want to enjoy a day on the water. Science should rule the day, not greed, jealousy, or envy. I can agree with guides not fishing on trips. I personally do not like the ones who sit in the front and cast ahead of their clients.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:12 pm to Wolfmanjack
I wonder if the mention of skimmers being pushed at 8-10 mph will be mentioned and what will be the solution. Millions of small trout get thrown away with the trash and alot of times grown fish can’t outrun them
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:12 pm to dwr353
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Why are charters different than a fisherman who fishes most days?
cmon man. there are very few rec guys that fish most days. charters have to fish as monsey and plans are on the line.
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The 25 fish they catch do not have the impact of a hard core fisherman that catches 1000 in a year.
Charter captains can take out 4 people and catch 125 fish. In 10 days of limits they are catching the same as your one "hard core" guy that really does not exist.
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I do not begrudge the customers they have who want to enjoy a day on the water.
no one is begrudging them, just the captains who keep their limits and the ability to rape the resource by being out there every day.
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Science should rule the day
Agreed
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I can agree with guides not fishing on trips. I personally do not like the ones who sit in the front and cast ahead of their clients.
the only people that do not agree with this are guides.
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