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MrLSU
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re: Speckled trout meeting
Menhaden fishing fleet with their Seine nets have decimated the Breton Sound and Venice fisheries. Shrimping industry also has some blame for the lower limits as well but we have recreational & charter fishery that is twice as big as it was in 2010.

The system is really stressed. We all need to hope we don't get a major freeze this winter because that could be really bad for the fishery


GREENHEAD22
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So I agree on both of these but has something changed that causes more by catch now? A change in how they trawl or something?


DTRooster
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Skimmers in shallow water being pushed so fast small trout can’t get away.


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choupiquesushi
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Menhaden fishing fleet with their Seine nets have decimated the Breton Sound and Venice fisheries. Shrimping industry also has some blame for the lower limits as well but we have recreational & charter fishery that is twice as big as it was in 2010
the old commercial mafia is going to the mats to protect those guys... bank on it.


Motorboat
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the old commercial mafia is going to the mats to protect those guys... bank on it.


Of course they are. The OB needs to chill on the access issues and focus on this. Love or hate CCA, they are the ones on the front line, battling for the recreational fisherman.


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TopWaterTiger
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Just for discussion, how would you regulate guides? Does anyone know how many guides are currently operating?


LA Charter Boat Assoc website only shows 101 captains.

For simple math, lets assume they fish 4 days a week at 25 trout a day = 100 trout per week x 101 = 10,100 trout per week just by captains across the state of Louisiana.

Disclaimer - I'm not saying this is even close to accurate, just a hypothetical.


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MrLSU
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You are punishing guides. Hell, you are making their job easier by lowering the number of fish they have to catch every day. And when they want fish for their freezer they can go on private trips.


No you are not. The guides will adjust and instead of having one client per day they will start booking two clients a day. When you go to these other states with small limits the guides offer 4, 6, 8, 10, and 12 hour fishing trips. You will see 4 hour trips become the standard and most guides will double their business.


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KemoSabe65
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Guide #’s is top secret per the agency that regulates us. Dunno why it’s a secret, should be public record imo. Not all are members of the La Charter Association so using that matrix will only get you so far.
How many get real jobs once the fix is implemented is a wag but it will cull some for sure. Guys not working for bigger lodges will be most affected, also imo.


choupiquesushi
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Guide #’s is top secret per the agency that regulates us. Dunno why it’s a secret, should be public record imo. Not all are members of the La Charter Association so using that matrix will only get you so far.
How many get real jobs once the fix is implemented is a wag but it will cull some for sure. Guys not working for bigger lodges will be most affected, also imo.
many vanished after their bp payouts...


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MrLSU
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o I agree on both of these but has something changed that causes more by catch now? A change in how they trawl or something?


Easy answer the habitat has changed dramatically which has pushed schools of juvenile fish to more concentrated areas. Those same areas attract shrimp, crab, and other forage species and those trawls are damaging the fishery too because the shrimp/finfish are concentrated it is creating a higher by catch rate. We also have larger areas of non-fishable water these days due to erosion of the marsh so the fish have congregated in the areas where there are funnels of baitfish.

For example, people are catching limits of large mouth bass (quality bass at that) at the Hopedale rock dam so that fresh water has pushed out other species of forage that require higher salinity levels.



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MrLSU
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re: Speckled trout meeting
One last thing that will happen when they go a 10 fish limit with 14 min is that we will have a lot of fisherman switch over to artificial baits instead of live bait. We will have fewer live bait shops as a result of the lower limits/higher min because no one needs 50 or 100 shrimp now so those bait shops will see their margins cut significantly. It may however spur those bait shops to change the bait they offer to that of mullet and croaker over time if fisherman want to target sow trout.

I know the fishing stores are worried about losing business due to the limits but it wouldn't surprise me to see those fishing stores actually increase their sales because more people will be buying artificial lures to fish for trout. The same artificial buying pattern we have seen with increased lure sales for Redfish will happen to Trout.


PapaPogey
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People are going to just buy less shrimp per trip


Boudinbaw
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re: Speckled trout meeting
So who's against state limits of 15? Seems pretty reasonable


Wolfmanjack
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The ldwf biologist apparently. Seems they want you catching less than that!
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choupiquesushi
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It may however spur those bait shops to change the bait they offer to that of mullet and croaker over time if fisherman want to target sow trout.
much easier to transport and keep alive than shrimp


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choupiquesushi
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yaton rouge
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Easy answer the habitat has changed dramatically
This cannot be stressed enough and it's accelerating


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Ron Cheramie
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So who's against state limits of 15? Seems pretty reasonable


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The ldwf biologist apparently. Seems they want you catching less than that!


Negative. The biologists have gathered data and created models of you will that show what each action (lower limits only, increased length only, lower limits plus increased lengths, etc) would do for the fishery. For instance if you want to have everything back in place by 2025, then option A would do that, They are simply laying out the science and the options and it is up to the LWFC to make the decision





Wolfmanjack
Member since Jun 2017
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If you believe their numbers, which I do not.


KemoSabe65
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I believe the numbers from Calcasieu, I have no opinion for the middle or East side of state. I know they keep a biologists at the lodge from April - August daily.


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choupiquesushi
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yaton rouge
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If you believe their numbers, which I do not.

Not relevant because the decision makers do.


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