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dwr353
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re: Speckled trout meeting
Just for discussion, how would you regulate guides? Does anyone know how many guides are currently operating? How many recreational fishermen? What is the impact of each group? So many unanswered variables to consider.


Wolfmanjack
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re: Speckled trout meeting
This is addressed in the presentation. According to their numbers guides and their customers make up a very small percentage of the trout taken. They do not address shrimping by catch.


Drunken Crawfish
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Just for discussion, how would you regulate guides?


You would only allow them to keep their clients limits. Currently, a guide can take 3 people out and catch 100 trout (60 in Calcasieu). If they made a change it would be only catching 75 trout (45 in Calcasieu).


Motorboat
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Just for discussion, how would you regulate guides?


I'll add that LDWF needs to do some better enforcement. There are many guides out there that are not properly licensed, including an asspile of them from Texas and Florida that come over in the fall through winter. Granted, many of those are chasing redfish with a fly, but if they are getting by being guides, then certainly there are some speck guides not following the law.



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armsdealer
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I go on guided spec trips. I have never been skunked and we limit more often than not. It is cheaper for me to pay for a few trips a year than to buy and maintain a boat. I love boats, the last thing I want to do is take care of one. I don't understand those that want to punish "Guides" by punishing fishermen who pay for licenses and taxes just like a fishermen who have their own boat.

I think the limits are fine. If you go to where the fish are you will find there are PLENTY of trout out there. The fishing patterns the past couple of years have been different with so much fresh water in the marshes, but trout are out there.


Drunken Crawfish
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I don't understand those that want to punish "Guides" by punishing fishermen who pay for licenses and taxes just like a fishermen who have their own boat.


You aren't punishing guides. Hell, you are making their job easier by lowering the number of fish they have to catch every day. And when they want fish for their freezer they can go on private trips.

How many times have you gone on a trip, caught a limit of fish (including the guides) and the guide kept his fish? I would imagine not so often, but even if you did you would be making our point for us.

edit: fixed are to aren't
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DMAN1968
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I think they already know what they are going to do. This dog and pony show is a waste of time and money.

The decision has been made. Look for 14 inch minimum, 15 total fish. Maybe even an upper slot.


TJG210
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According to their numbers guides and their customers make up a very small percentage of the trout taken.


Sounds like bull shite to me.

Who is behind this bull shite and why? I simply can’t get behind their “science” because I’ve seen too much evidence to the contrary. Most of the places that had tons of freshwater last summer had incredible fall/winters.


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Ron Cheramie
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The decision has been made. Look for 14 inch minimum, 15 total fish. Maybe even an upper slot.


Keep hearing that the decision is made Not the case form what I saw at the last commission meeting. Every single one of the south Louisiana commissioners had something to say about it and had lots of questions about the methods of data collection and cited many of the same examples being spoken here. They eventually tabled the discussion because they were not going to make a decision that day anyways


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Mr Wonderful
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I don't understand those that want to punish "Guides" by punishing fishermen who pay for licenses and taxes just like a fishermen who have their own boat.

No one is “punishing” anyone. It’s simply regulating a natural resource. These guides are out there everyday pounding the fish that people often forget belong to the public. Guides are commercial fisherman. They make money from depleting a resource that belongs to the public. And they should be regulated as such.


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GREENHEAD22
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re: Speckled trout meeting
I have seen/been on corporate trips where we will catch a combined 1000 plus trout in a 3 day weekend. This is with 4-5 boat with 4 guys a piece but still.

The guide getting the contract and putting it together does 3-5 of these a year.

Guided trip limits should be lower and the guide cant get a limit.

That being said I would argue that trout killed in by catch is even a bigger issue as is MS gill neters.
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KemoSabe65
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Rarely do any of my clients even know what the limit is on trout, reds, flounder. It’s also rare that I chase limits but limits do occur even with those that can’t fish well. A ten fish limit on Calcasieu isn’t going to affect guides or recs (most recs couldn’t catch 5) but it will protect the bio mass. 2012 trout were trending down per the La WL&F biologist but nobody wanted to sound the alarm, 8 years later trout are below the long term avg set by WL&F which is a fact not “BS”. You can only kill so many fish before your recruitment class of fish are gone too.
Those making the decisions need to make them and own them. Punting until next year is “BS”.



GREENHEAD22
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re: Speckled trout meeting
So what is your take on the biggest reason for a decline. Besides habitat loss.


Drunken Crawfish
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most recs couldn’t catch 5


*Raises hand*

I am a fan of the 15 trout limit and probably wouldn't be too upset at a 10 fish limit. But when the numbers 5 and 15" minimum are thrown out it makes me really have to decide if that is worth the trip.

I think that this year, particularly this spring will be a very good indicator of where the trout population is in Calcasieu. Two years with no hard freezes should have the population up significantly over the last 3-5 years. If Spring rains can hold off it should be exciting.



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DownshiftAndFloorIt
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re: Speckled trout meeting
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Those making the decisions need to make them and own them


Asking a whole lot there


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KemoSabe65
Member since Mar 2018
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re: Speckled trout meeting
We kill too many fish for them to bounce back after freezes. I’ll raise my hand, they got hammered in 2017. I moved to LC in 07 but started fishing cal hard 3 years prior and caught limits of 2#-4# trout up to 11-12. Stevie Wonder could catch trout back then it was so easy and then it changed. Oyster harvest with dredges flattend the reefs, crab landings are way down, mullet are harder to find, land loss, dredging & fishing pressure all contributed to this shite show we now have.


Beamstain
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re: Speckled trout meeting
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We kill too many fish for them to bounce back after freezes. I’ll raise my hand, they got hammered in 2017. I moved to LC in 07 but started fishing cal hard 3 years prior and caught limits of 2#-4# trout up to 11-12. Stevie Wonder could catch trout back then it was so easy and then it changed. Oyster harvest with dredges flattend the reefs, crab landings are way down, mullet are harder to find, land loss, dredging & fishing pressure all contributed to this shite show we now have.



Man I hope they don’t drop the limit to 5 on at Big Lake. It will clean out a bunch of guides and weekend warriors, but will they ever change it back to 15?


KemoSabe65
Member since Mar 2018
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re: Speckled trout meeting
Graphs say Cal needs 5 to increase and 10 to maintain status quo. I forgot to add turbidity and salt content to the discussion. Every time a ship passes super cut, nine mile, washout, west cove it pulls sediment from across those water bodies and deposits it in the channel and on top of historical oyster reefs. Those historical reefs have been dead for years because of this hydraulic action. From Yankee John south on the west side of Cal the reefs are dead.


Beamstain
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From Yankee John south on the west side of Cal the reefs are dead.


Joes cove still hanging in there ha ha


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Icansee4miles
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re: Speckled trout meeting
A major problem IMO is an explosion in the population of ^%#€* geese (I mean cormorants) eating baitfish and juvenile trout and dolphin and pelicans eating adults. There are tons more of all of these than there were 10,20,30 years ago. I’ve posted before, throwing back 11” trout and watching dolphins eat every one makes one wonder if catch and release does any good at all.


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