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re: Smallish caliber pistol
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:40 am to bearhc
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:40 am to bearhc
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There is nothing wrong with a revolver.
Never got the revolver hate here. It worked fine for 100 years.
ETA: A S&W Model 60 in .357 would be great. Shoot low recoil 38s for practice and .357s for carry. Leave hammer down on an empty cylinder if you want.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 10:43 am
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:50 am to Aubie Spr96
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ETA: A S&W Model 60 in .357 would be great. Shoot low recoil 38s for practice and .357s for carry. Leave hammer down on an empty cylinder if you want.
So that she is left with four rounds of a snappy cartridge that she’s not familiar shooting?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:57 am to Dave_O
Sig P238 (.380) is a great little pistol - but getting a bit harder to find, especially since Sig came out with the 320 in .380.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 10:58 am to Aubie Spr96
Semi autos are a simpler design.
When you shrink down revolvers and semi auto pistols the semi auto pistol design allows for a better grip and better control of the weapon and recoil
It is easier to load a semi auto unless you happen to be a Miculek, I don't believe Jerry is Human
Revolvers can be cool guns, but I don't think they are a very good beginner gun, and Semi auto designs have taken their place in the defense category.
When you shrink down revolvers and semi auto pistols the semi auto pistol design allows for a better grip and better control of the weapon and recoil
It is easier to load a semi auto unless you happen to be a Miculek, I don't believe Jerry is Human
Revolvers can be cool guns, but I don't think they are a very good beginner gun, and Semi auto designs have taken their place in the defense category.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 11:49 am to armsdealer
Hellcat
Posted on 5/25/22 at 12:05 pm to Ajo Devil
Revolvers are good in trained hands. It's my pick, by choice.
They just said on fox news, one of the deputies that exchanged fire in TX, had a weapon jam. Probably an auto.
They just said on fox news, one of the deputies that exchanged fire in TX, had a weapon jam. Probably an auto.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:19 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Never got the revolver hate here. It worked fine for 100 years.
I agree. I am willing to put my shooting skills with a pistol against most anyone. My instructor had me fire double action on a Smith Model 15 Combat Masterpiece to learn accuracy and grip. My students now do the same. To become good with a handgun, everyone needs to learn to fire double action revolver.
Then you progress to the 1911 and then on to the plastic guns. I promise you it is the correct route to getting good. I am an NRA Chief RSO, Advanced Handgun/rifle instructor who works every free moment at the range. I shoot at least 800 to 1000 rounds a week in various calibers. It all started with a Smith revolver.
Note- In a firefight I am going with my Sig P320 Xfive Legion.....lol.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:49 pm to Yellerhammer5
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So that she is left with four rounds of a snappy cartridge that she’s not familiar shooting?
Well, presumably you'd be practicing with your self defense round of choice as well. But for daily practice, 38s would be way cheaper.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 4:17 pm to NoMoreKnees
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conceal carry permit I bought her a Ruger LCR in 38 Special with a Crimson Trace Grip.
I did the exact same thing. She can shoot it, but the recoil is significant to her.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 4:32 pm to Dave_O
25 cal. Easy to shoot. Accurate. Fits small hands well and no recoil. She can fire off 3 quick rounds into a man’s face if she needed to.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 6:58 pm to jmon
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Smith and Wesson 380 M&P Shield EZ
After reading this, I remember my dad bought my mom one of these a year or so ago. This may be our starting point and just go from there.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 7:00 pm to TideHater
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I shoot at least 800 to 1000 rounds a week in various calibers.
I'm jealous!
Posted on 5/25/22 at 9:10 pm to Dave_O
I'm a firearm instructor and have been teaching for nearly a decade. Every female in my classes starts on a full sized 9mm. The fan favorites are my wife's HK VP9 and my S&W M&P9c 2.0. They have slim grips but still have all the attributes of a full sized gun. I'll quote a post I made/bookmarked about 7 years ago.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=58237860&s=2&p=58233872#58237860
Won't post the whole thing here but full sized 9mm for ANY new shooter - period. There is no advantage to making a gun smaller other than something you plan to conceal on your body. Your wife should be using an overhand grip to rack the gun (thumb pointed in her chest, slide pinched between base of palm and fingertips) anyway and she will utilize large muscle groups instead of small ones to work the slide. A full sized gun will have a lighter and longer recoil spring that will make it easier.
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?sp=58237860&s=2&p=58233872#58237860
Won't post the whole thing here but full sized 9mm for ANY new shooter - period. There is no advantage to making a gun smaller other than something you plan to conceal on your body. Your wife should be using an overhand grip to rack the gun (thumb pointed in her chest, slide pinched between base of palm and fingertips) anyway and she will utilize large muscle groups instead of small ones to work the slide. A full sized gun will have a lighter and longer recoil spring that will make it easier.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 12:22 am to Dave_O
A lot of recommendations .380... I’ve watched a bunch of videos by Paul Harrell that show that .380 bullets don’t expand very well. Especially, out of short barreled guns. I still wouldn’t want to get hit by one, but I think 9mm is the sweet spot for recoil and effectiveness.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 12:22 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 5:30 am to SaintTiger80
Posted on 5/26/22 at 6:54 am to Dave_O
Like many have said here, don't let anyone else tell her what to get or not get (Including revolvers)
The best personal defense firearm for her is going to be the one she's comfortable with and the one she's willing to train with routinely.
The first thing she should do is think about what her expectations will be for needing this firearm.
Personal defense is a broad category. What are her expectations for needing it and as much as we would like to prepare for every possible situation we can't in our normal civilian lives.
I'm not a teacher but perhaps if I were I would be thinking along the line of being the last line of defense for myself and my students. What that would look like to me might be to stay in the class in a close quarters area with limited access to get in to us so I could focus my attention (fire power) to maybe that one point, increasing my shot/hit ratio. Probably not out roaming the halls on offense where threats may come at longer distance and from one of multiple directions. I would likely want something with as high of a caliber as I could accurately engage a threat out to a max of 20 feet or so. Personally I would feel comfortable with my Ruger Sp101 .357 and 1 extra speed loader in that situation, but that me with my experience and training. Definitely not what everyone would be comfortable with.
And while she's thinking about type and caliber of firearm it's a good idea to think about every conceivable problem that could arise with that firearm. (Shooting as many different types as possible is the best way to not only decide if that type is right for you but it opens your eyes to possible problems that you may not have other wise considered if you didn't have a chance to handle it. For me the SP101 offers more than enough stopping power and greatly reduced possibility for malfunction in the scenario above, but again that just me.
Anyway good luck and don't rush the decision, If she ends up getting something she's not comfortable with she's not going to train properly with it then it wont matter what type and caliber she has.
The best personal defense firearm for her is going to be the one she's comfortable with and the one she's willing to train with routinely.
The first thing she should do is think about what her expectations will be for needing this firearm.
Personal defense is a broad category. What are her expectations for needing it and as much as we would like to prepare for every possible situation we can't in our normal civilian lives.
I'm not a teacher but perhaps if I were I would be thinking along the line of being the last line of defense for myself and my students. What that would look like to me might be to stay in the class in a close quarters area with limited access to get in to us so I could focus my attention (fire power) to maybe that one point, increasing my shot/hit ratio. Probably not out roaming the halls on offense where threats may come at longer distance and from one of multiple directions. I would likely want something with as high of a caliber as I could accurately engage a threat out to a max of 20 feet or so. Personally I would feel comfortable with my Ruger Sp101 .357 and 1 extra speed loader in that situation, but that me with my experience and training. Definitely not what everyone would be comfortable with.
And while she's thinking about type and caliber of firearm it's a good idea to think about every conceivable problem that could arise with that firearm. (Shooting as many different types as possible is the best way to not only decide if that type is right for you but it opens your eyes to possible problems that you may not have other wise considered if you didn't have a chance to handle it. For me the SP101 offers more than enough stopping power and greatly reduced possibility for malfunction in the scenario above, but again that just me.
Anyway good luck and don't rush the decision, If she ends up getting something she's not comfortable with she's not going to train properly with it then it wont matter what type and caliber she has.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 5/26/22 at 1:51 pm to TideHater
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I shoot at least 800 to 1000 rounds a week in various calibers.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 4:25 pm to SaintTiger80
It depends a lot on the cartridge. You can find some .380 that performs pretty decent.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:30 pm to Ajo Devil
I second the Springfield Hellcat. That’s a sweet shooting little pistol.
Posted on 5/27/22 at 5:56 am to slacker130
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slacker130
Rich? Not hardly. I am a part time RSO and Advanced NRA pistol instructor. I am lucky enough to get provided with plenty of ammo from the range, customers and sponsors. Not close to TD.com baller status yet.
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