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Pogy Boat Buffer - Next Steps
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:06 am
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:06 am
Gents:
On Nov 6, the LWF Commission voted 4-3 to reduce the buffer where pogy boats are allowed to fish in Louisiana from 1/2 mile to 1/4 mile along most of the coast. The 4 commission members who represent commercial interests voted in lock-step with the industrial fishing industry's request. The public outcry against this move was enormous and one commissioner mentioned that he had never seen such one-sided overwhelming feedback from the public on an issue.
The buffer will not go into effect until spring of 2026 so the next steps are for the state legislature, both house and senate, to each review and allow this to move forward. Either chamber has the option to block the decision and send back to the commission, as part of legislative oversight. But they wont do this unless the public asks them to do it.
Please contact your representative and senator and ask them to take action against this decision by the LWF commission. No matter how you look at it, the buffer reduction is a terrible idea. Please contact them at your earliest convenience and ask them to block the move via legislative oversight.
If you would like to know more about the overall issue, I'll explain below:
Gulf menhaden (pogy) are the most important forage in Louisiana. They are the largest forage biomass not only in LA but in the the entire gulf. Every predator fish that is important to our state, such as trout, redfish, or tarpon, depend on readily available menhaden schools at the most important stages of their life - summer spawning. The menhaden reduction industry (pogy boats) has no limit on how much menhaden they can remove from our coast. They have been banned or severely restricted every other state and now 94% of the entire gulf harvest of menhaden happens in Louisiana. They are undermining our coastal ecosystem by removing the entire foundation of the food pyramid. With limited menhaden, the productivity of our predator species is severely handicapped.
The pogy boats operate by using huge purse seine nets to encircle and capture the entire school of pogy. They use spotter planes to see the school, as menhaden are surface schooling species. Everything is harvested, including the predators that are feeding on the school as well as all species that happen to be on the bottom, like croaker and flounder, as the 15' tall nets drag along the sea floor since they catch most of the menhaden in 5 to 10 ft depths. Bycatch is a serious issue with the fishery. The recent LGL study paid for by the state showed that (while on their best behavior with cameras rolling and observers on board) the industry kills 30,000 bull redfish every year. They catch more than this and they release some alive, but the majority die and over 95% of the fish are protected breeding-sized bull redfish that are illegal for anyone to harvest. They kill 240,000 speckled trout. They kill 81 million croakers.
We have issues currently with low spawning stock biomass and low recruitment of both trout and redfish in Louisiana. This isnt due to over harvesting since the recreational harvest of both species for the last 5 years is at lows not seen since the early 1980s. There is no commercial harvest of these fish. Throughout the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s the average harvest of each was between 5 and 10 million lbs. Last year the harvest of each was only about 3 million lbs, a 4 decade low. Meanwhile the only action taken by the state to improve this was to reduce harvest further by tightening limits on what anglers can take from the water. A move many, including myself agree with, but it does not address the root cause of why biomass of these species is so low - availability of food.
Continued...
On Nov 6, the LWF Commission voted 4-3 to reduce the buffer where pogy boats are allowed to fish in Louisiana from 1/2 mile to 1/4 mile along most of the coast. The 4 commission members who represent commercial interests voted in lock-step with the industrial fishing industry's request. The public outcry against this move was enormous and one commissioner mentioned that he had never seen such one-sided overwhelming feedback from the public on an issue.
The buffer will not go into effect until spring of 2026 so the next steps are for the state legislature, both house and senate, to each review and allow this to move forward. Either chamber has the option to block the decision and send back to the commission, as part of legislative oversight. But they wont do this unless the public asks them to do it.
Please contact your representative and senator and ask them to take action against this decision by the LWF commission. No matter how you look at it, the buffer reduction is a terrible idea. Please contact them at your earliest convenience and ask them to block the move via legislative oversight.
If you would like to know more about the overall issue, I'll explain below:
Gulf menhaden (pogy) are the most important forage in Louisiana. They are the largest forage biomass not only in LA but in the the entire gulf. Every predator fish that is important to our state, such as trout, redfish, or tarpon, depend on readily available menhaden schools at the most important stages of their life - summer spawning. The menhaden reduction industry (pogy boats) has no limit on how much menhaden they can remove from our coast. They have been banned or severely restricted every other state and now 94% of the entire gulf harvest of menhaden happens in Louisiana. They are undermining our coastal ecosystem by removing the entire foundation of the food pyramid. With limited menhaden, the productivity of our predator species is severely handicapped.
The pogy boats operate by using huge purse seine nets to encircle and capture the entire school of pogy. They use spotter planes to see the school, as menhaden are surface schooling species. Everything is harvested, including the predators that are feeding on the school as well as all species that happen to be on the bottom, like croaker and flounder, as the 15' tall nets drag along the sea floor since they catch most of the menhaden in 5 to 10 ft depths. Bycatch is a serious issue with the fishery. The recent LGL study paid for by the state showed that (while on their best behavior with cameras rolling and observers on board) the industry kills 30,000 bull redfish every year. They catch more than this and they release some alive, but the majority die and over 95% of the fish are protected breeding-sized bull redfish that are illegal for anyone to harvest. They kill 240,000 speckled trout. They kill 81 million croakers.
We have issues currently with low spawning stock biomass and low recruitment of both trout and redfish in Louisiana. This isnt due to over harvesting since the recreational harvest of both species for the last 5 years is at lows not seen since the early 1980s. There is no commercial harvest of these fish. Throughout the 90s, 2000s, and 2010s the average harvest of each was between 5 and 10 million lbs. Last year the harvest of each was only about 3 million lbs, a 4 decade low. Meanwhile the only action taken by the state to improve this was to reduce harvest further by tightening limits on what anglers can take from the water. A move many, including myself agree with, but it does not address the root cause of why biomass of these species is so low - availability of food.
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This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:06 am to WizardSleeve
...Continued from above
For perspective, the total shrimp harvest in Louisiana is 60 million lbs. The menhaden reduction industry removes over 1 billion lbs of menhaden every year. That is billion with a B. The total amount of all recreationally harvested fish in Louisiana annually, from catfish to trout to flounder to croaker to tuna is 35 million lbs. To put it another way there are 300,000 satwater fishing license holders in Louisiana and they only harvest 3 to 4% of what the menhaden industry harvests every year. Menhaden is a public resource, it belongs to all of us and the use of this resource is completely out of balance. The industry claims that they are only taking a small amount of the fish, but this is a lie. Their average harvest for the last 10 years in Louisiana has been 1.02 billion lbs annually. The total gulf-wide biomass of menhaden has been just over 5 billion lbs, as reported by the GSMFC who is responsible for assessments of several gulf species. The industry harvests on average 20% of the TOTAL gulf biomass every year and this occurs in concentrated fashion in Louisiana. The fact is that any school of menhaden large enough to be seen by a spotter plane is targeted and harvested. They are incentivized to harvest as many fish as possible. More menhaden = more money. They will catch every accessible school of menhaden in an area and move on to the next. The menhaden hug the coast and this is why the buffer is important. The industry catches every single fish that they CAN catch. If the buffer is reduced, they will catch more menhaden.
The menhaden industry has not existed forever in its current form. Historically small amounts of menhaden were caught as bait or for other purposes, without spotter planes and without huge factory ships. The first documented harvest of menhaden by the reduction industry in Louisiana was in 1948 and they only harvested 88 million lbs. That is 7% of what was harvested last year. With spotter planes and refrigerated holds on the boats being implemented the harvest increased dramatically by the 1970s. All of the big reduction plants were built in the late 1960s. This coincides with the decline of our fishery.
The modern reduction industry consists of 2 companies with 3 plants (2 in Louisiana and one in Mississippi that fishes in Louisiana): Omega, which is owned by Canadian company Cooke Aquaculture and Daybrook, which is owned by South African aquaculture company Oceana. None of the fish they catch are used for local crawfish or crabbing bait. 100% of it is reduced to fish meal and menhaden oil. Most of that is used to feed shrimp and fish farms in other countries. These companies are vertically integrated and the business model is very simple - 1) harvest the most nutritious and vast FREE protein source in the world: marine forage like menhaden and sardines 2) use that protein to feed fish and shrimp and livestock farms to sell more valuable products globally. These companies remove the forage from our ecosystem to feed fish and shrimp farms in other countries whose products are then sold back into our market at a cheaper price than our local shrimpers and fisherman can afford to exist. Shrimping effort in Lousiana is at a historic low due to prices being bottomed out by imported farmed shrimp, for example.
Key politicians, like Jeff Landry, are bought and paid for by these global giant aquaculture companies. In the last election cycle that elected Landry to governor, these companies publicly made over $750,000 in donations. Privately there is probably even more "lobbying" going on, but at the end of the day the governor is in bed with these people that are pillaging our coast. They harvest an unlimited amount of menhaden and do not pay a cent to the people of Louisiana for it. They employ a few hundred people between 2 operations in our state, one in Abbeville and one in Empire. Other than the employment they offer very little of value in return for the billion+ lbs that they take in menhaden.
The most obvious impact from the menhaden harvest is tarpon. The tarpon were first to go missing after the reduction industry began operating and should be looked at as a major warning. Stable isotope tissue studies show that Atlantic Tarpon only eat menhaden (clupeids) when in the northern gulf for their summer feed and they require large schools. In the late 60s when the pogy harvest ramped up the tarpon started to decline. Before this, every pass in LA used to have a giant raft-like school of menhaden stretching sometimes for 10 miles all summer long. There used to be large numbers of tarpon feeding on the huge menhaden schools all summer, close to shore. In many areas like Cameron, Cypremort Point, Cocodrie and Lake Ponchartrain almost no one has seen a tarpon for over 4 decades. They are exceedingly rare to non existent now compared to the 1960s and earlier when they were common. TBy the 70s and 80s the tarpon were becoming scarce state wide and today Grand Isle tarpon anglers are moving their boats from Lousiana to Texas and Mississippi because they have more tarpon. In contrast, Texas pogy harvest dropped by 98% to under 1 million lbs after 2009 regulations went into effect banning the boats from working within a mile of any pass or jetty and in the following decade tarpon abundance in Texas (as measured by Texas parks and wildlife) doubled over the prior 3 decades. Anecdotally, people here who used to fish tarpon in Louisiana in the 50s and 60s said “they disappeared when the pogy boats showed up”. It’s too much evidence to ignore. You can have either a thriving tarpon fishery or unlimited nearshore pogy harvest, but not both. Tarpon can migrate 60 miles a day so they are the first species to tell you if there is a problem with not enough food - they simply leave and head to another state where the pogy schools exist unencumbered.
Up and down the east coast the menhaden harvest has been banned, except in the Chesapeake Bay region. Where the menhaden have recovered there is now a resurgence in their ecosystem from numbers of striped bass that people have never seen before to humpback whales returning to New York harbor. Contrast this to what is happening in the Chesapeake where osprey populations are plummeting and the striped bass fishery has collapsed. Commercial bait fishermen in the northern Chesapeake reported being able to catch zero (0) lbs of menhaden last year because the reduction industry harvested almost every single school in the bay before the fish could make it to Maryland.
It is possible to have some menhaden harvest for commercial use, but we need to prioritize our own ecosystem over the profits of two international companies. We earned the name Sportsman's Paradise because of how vibrant and productive our ecosystem was before the pogy boats came. Now we are at risk to losing that title to other states because they are doing more to conserve and protect the menhaden that feed everything else. Florida and Alabama banned purse seines completely. Mississippi and Texas have a 1 mile buffer that makes it almost impossible for the industry to fish there. Louisiana's coast is now the last state being strip mined to benefit very few people. It is the most short-sighted use of arguably our most precious public resource.
For perspective, the total shrimp harvest in Louisiana is 60 million lbs. The menhaden reduction industry removes over 1 billion lbs of menhaden every year. That is billion with a B. The total amount of all recreationally harvested fish in Louisiana annually, from catfish to trout to flounder to croaker to tuna is 35 million lbs. To put it another way there are 300,000 satwater fishing license holders in Louisiana and they only harvest 3 to 4% of what the menhaden industry harvests every year. Menhaden is a public resource, it belongs to all of us and the use of this resource is completely out of balance. The industry claims that they are only taking a small amount of the fish, but this is a lie. Their average harvest for the last 10 years in Louisiana has been 1.02 billion lbs annually. The total gulf-wide biomass of menhaden has been just over 5 billion lbs, as reported by the GSMFC who is responsible for assessments of several gulf species. The industry harvests on average 20% of the TOTAL gulf biomass every year and this occurs in concentrated fashion in Louisiana. The fact is that any school of menhaden large enough to be seen by a spotter plane is targeted and harvested. They are incentivized to harvest as many fish as possible. More menhaden = more money. They will catch every accessible school of menhaden in an area and move on to the next. The menhaden hug the coast and this is why the buffer is important. The industry catches every single fish that they CAN catch. If the buffer is reduced, they will catch more menhaden.
The menhaden industry has not existed forever in its current form. Historically small amounts of menhaden were caught as bait or for other purposes, without spotter planes and without huge factory ships. The first documented harvest of menhaden by the reduction industry in Louisiana was in 1948 and they only harvested 88 million lbs. That is 7% of what was harvested last year. With spotter planes and refrigerated holds on the boats being implemented the harvest increased dramatically by the 1970s. All of the big reduction plants were built in the late 1960s. This coincides with the decline of our fishery.
The modern reduction industry consists of 2 companies with 3 plants (2 in Louisiana and one in Mississippi that fishes in Louisiana): Omega, which is owned by Canadian company Cooke Aquaculture and Daybrook, which is owned by South African aquaculture company Oceana. None of the fish they catch are used for local crawfish or crabbing bait. 100% of it is reduced to fish meal and menhaden oil. Most of that is used to feed shrimp and fish farms in other countries. These companies are vertically integrated and the business model is very simple - 1) harvest the most nutritious and vast FREE protein source in the world: marine forage like menhaden and sardines 2) use that protein to feed fish and shrimp and livestock farms to sell more valuable products globally. These companies remove the forage from our ecosystem to feed fish and shrimp farms in other countries whose products are then sold back into our market at a cheaper price than our local shrimpers and fisherman can afford to exist. Shrimping effort in Lousiana is at a historic low due to prices being bottomed out by imported farmed shrimp, for example.
Key politicians, like Jeff Landry, are bought and paid for by these global giant aquaculture companies. In the last election cycle that elected Landry to governor, these companies publicly made over $750,000 in donations. Privately there is probably even more "lobbying" going on, but at the end of the day the governor is in bed with these people that are pillaging our coast. They harvest an unlimited amount of menhaden and do not pay a cent to the people of Louisiana for it. They employ a few hundred people between 2 operations in our state, one in Abbeville and one in Empire. Other than the employment they offer very little of value in return for the billion+ lbs that they take in menhaden.
The most obvious impact from the menhaden harvest is tarpon. The tarpon were first to go missing after the reduction industry began operating and should be looked at as a major warning. Stable isotope tissue studies show that Atlantic Tarpon only eat menhaden (clupeids) when in the northern gulf for their summer feed and they require large schools. In the late 60s when the pogy harvest ramped up the tarpon started to decline. Before this, every pass in LA used to have a giant raft-like school of menhaden stretching sometimes for 10 miles all summer long. There used to be large numbers of tarpon feeding on the huge menhaden schools all summer, close to shore. In many areas like Cameron, Cypremort Point, Cocodrie and Lake Ponchartrain almost no one has seen a tarpon for over 4 decades. They are exceedingly rare to non existent now compared to the 1960s and earlier when they were common. TBy the 70s and 80s the tarpon were becoming scarce state wide and today Grand Isle tarpon anglers are moving their boats from Lousiana to Texas and Mississippi because they have more tarpon. In contrast, Texas pogy harvest dropped by 98% to under 1 million lbs after 2009 regulations went into effect banning the boats from working within a mile of any pass or jetty and in the following decade tarpon abundance in Texas (as measured by Texas parks and wildlife) doubled over the prior 3 decades. Anecdotally, people here who used to fish tarpon in Louisiana in the 50s and 60s said “they disappeared when the pogy boats showed up”. It’s too much evidence to ignore. You can have either a thriving tarpon fishery or unlimited nearshore pogy harvest, but not both. Tarpon can migrate 60 miles a day so they are the first species to tell you if there is a problem with not enough food - they simply leave and head to another state where the pogy schools exist unencumbered.
Up and down the east coast the menhaden harvest has been banned, except in the Chesapeake Bay region. Where the menhaden have recovered there is now a resurgence in their ecosystem from numbers of striped bass that people have never seen before to humpback whales returning to New York harbor. Contrast this to what is happening in the Chesapeake where osprey populations are plummeting and the striped bass fishery has collapsed. Commercial bait fishermen in the northern Chesapeake reported being able to catch zero (0) lbs of menhaden last year because the reduction industry harvested almost every single school in the bay before the fish could make it to Maryland.
It is possible to have some menhaden harvest for commercial use, but we need to prioritize our own ecosystem over the profits of two international companies. We earned the name Sportsman's Paradise because of how vibrant and productive our ecosystem was before the pogy boats came. Now we are at risk to losing that title to other states because they are doing more to conserve and protect the menhaden that feed everything else. Florida and Alabama banned purse seines completely. Mississippi and Texas have a 1 mile buffer that makes it almost impossible for the industry to fish there. Louisiana's coast is now the last state being strip mined to benefit very few people. It is the most short-sighted use of arguably our most precious public resource.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:11 am to WizardSleeve
quote:
94% of the entire gulf harvest of menhaden happens in Louisiana.
Astounding
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:25 am to Purple Spoon
Send the ICE Agents down to Empire if you want to halt the pogy fishery
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:38 am to Purple Spoon
Also astounding how often our reps vote against their constituents requests.
The commission has always been a joke on quail drive.
The commission has always been a joke on quail drive.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:43 am to WizardSleeve
The problem is is that you’re in the state of LA. The fact that AL and MS have addressed this issue before we have really says something about those in power here.
Morally and ethically corrupt greedy politicians that have little interest in the public. A abuse of power is an understatement for all the corruption that occurs here. The only way they’ll care is if their pockets get lined. They don’t put the citizens first. They never have and they never will.
Morally and ethically corrupt greedy politicians that have little interest in the public. A abuse of power is an understatement for all the corruption that occurs here. The only way they’ll care is if their pockets get lined. They don’t put the citizens first. They never have and they never will.
This post was edited on 12/10/25 at 11:47 am
Posted on 12/10/25 at 11:59 am to KemoSabe65
quote:
astounding how often our reps vote against their constituents requests
follow the money ... Ocean Harvesters buying votes

Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:36 pm to WizardSleeve
I contacted all of the representatives in this area as well as my state senator on this and not a one of them replied. Sad.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:44 pm to 3deadtrolls
Just texted my Cca guy asking about town halls to get members to target and feather their reps if they don’t back us. Any reps north of I-10 typically don’t care or cut deals with the I10 guys. North La reps have no fear right now, we need to let them know they should have some fear.
Natural Resources committee should get some pressure first. Find out who’s up for election and demand support or give it to someone else.
Natural Resources committee should get some pressure first. Find out who’s up for election and demand support or give it to someone else.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 12:48 pm to KemoSabe65
quote:
Find out who’s up for election
I agree brother .... get a list of the elected officials and how they voted on certain subject matters. A majority of them don't care about their constituents until 6 months before an election. Best way to voice your opinion is at the voting poll.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 5:56 pm to WizardSleeve
Can you give us some bona fide sources for what you say? And if it isn’t political but biological based and is is fair and balanced we will be happy to educate ourselves.
Posted on 12/10/25 at 6:19 pm to WizardSleeve
I appreciate your effort. And I support what you are trying to do.
But if you want to be in a state that considers what is best for its natural resources or constituents you will need to move. Sad but true….
But if you want to be in a state that considers what is best for its natural resources or constituents you will need to move. Sad but true….
Posted on 12/10/25 at 6:21 pm to Royalfishing
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Posted on 12/11/25 at 10:28 am to WizardSleeve
Part 1 - Guides viewpoint
Part 2 - Pogie Industry viewpoint
Lake Pickle of the Meateater/Bear Grease Network did a podcast/videocast about the issue. It was pretty good, informative, and showed both sides. Our politicians have still failed us by siding with the pogie industry, but I did appreciate hearing their viewpoint. It’s on Spotify/apple as well as YouTube.
Part 2 - Pogie Industry viewpoint
Lake Pickle of the Meateater/Bear Grease Network did a podcast/videocast about the issue. It was pretty good, informative, and showed both sides. Our politicians have still failed us by siding with the pogie industry, but I did appreciate hearing their viewpoint. It’s on Spotify/apple as well as YouTube.
Posted on 12/11/25 at 12:22 pm to Slickback
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This post was edited on 6/12/26 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:16 am to WizardSleeve
quote:Who are these people and why do they do this?
The 4 commission members who represent commercial interests voted in lock-step with the industrial fishing industry's request
Posted on 12/12/25 at 8:36 am to AlxTgr
Usually it’s a cross section of commercial interests; oyster mafia, pogy mafia, shrimp mafia.
Commission is also typically a stacked deck with commercial interest exceeding rec.
Self preservation***
Commission is also typically a stacked deck with commercial interest exceeding rec.
Self preservation***
Posted on 12/13/25 at 4:29 am to WizardSleeve
Thank you for posting this here. I have seen firsthand over the course of my lifetime directly the effects of this industry.
And this recent vote has almost singlehandedly changed my future support of our present leadership, and I have financially supported these men.
There is no excuse for what is being allowed to happen, other than greed and misuse of power.
And this recent vote has almost singlehandedly changed my future support of our present leadership, and I have financially supported these men.
There is no excuse for what is being allowed to happen, other than greed and misuse of power.
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