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re: Not happy with this Walther...
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:26 am to cgrand
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:26 am to cgrand
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why are you concerned that it might hang up on the holster AFTER you've fired a round? are you really thinking you'll fire, re-holster, draw & fire again?
I guess this means that you always fire every round in the magazine before you holster your handgun when you shoot, for whatever reason.
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after you fire, just drop the mag, clear the chamber, re-load the mag, and then you are back to DA. i truly do not understand your lament
Seems like a lot of extra effort and trouble when an external safety would make this unnecessary.
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:37 am to BFIV
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I guess this means that you always fire every round in the magazine before you holster your handgun when you shoot, for whatever reason.
if i am at the range, yes. or i set it down on the table, after i drop & clear. if i am ever in a situation where i am carrying, and need to fire the weapon, i doubt seriously i'll be reholstering
but whatever man, you dont like the gun get another one. nobody here really cares to talk you out of it, we are just pointing out that the SA on the 2nd round and the lack of safety is a feature, not a bug
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:37 am to BFIV
This is how I carry my striker fire guns without external safeties. The lock should've come with your PPX.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:49 am to cgrand
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but whatever man, you dont like the gun get another one. nobody here really cares to talk you out of it, we are just pointing out that the SA on the 2nd round and the lack of safety is a feature, not a bug
That's why The Good Lord made chocolate and vanilla ice cream. Everybody doesn't like the same thing. To most of you, it seems, the lack of an external safety is a feature and I'm certainly ok with that if that's how you feel. I just prefer an external safety.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:52 am to BFIV
It does what semi-auto handguns do nowadays. But, if you are at all uncomfortable with it and can't get past it with adequate practice, you should by all means get rid of it. Find something you're confident in. I'm just not sure what you will come up with for CC.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:52 am to BFIV
So now that we have that out of the way.
I will kindly dispose of the faulty firearm for you.
I will kindly dispose of the faulty firearm for you.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:58 am to kengel2
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Or a leather holster that has a reinforced lip. My milt sparks has a metal piece sown into the mouth of the holster. Never had an issue.
I have tons of leather holsters and have never had any deform or become worn to the extent that what is shown in that photo is a possibility.
If you buy quality leather I imagine it would take a very long time for that to occur.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:00 pm to Propagandalf
That is not safe enough. We take increased measures here at Bowie's.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:01 pm to Who Me
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I will kindly dispose of the faulty firearm for you.
Well, come on up here to Virginia and I'll make you a real deal on a "like new" PPX!
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:05 pm to Carson123987
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:09 pm to Carson123987
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That is not safe enough. We take increased measures here at Bowie's.
Was that before or after the "incident" in Gonzales?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:16 pm to BFIV
Posted on 5/9/16 at 1:25 pm to BFIV
We aren't going to change you mind on this it's quite obvious so I will ask, why don't you just not chamber a bullet while you carry it?
I have a few guns with external safeties. Most are 1911s and one is an H&K.
If you have to have an external look at H&K or maybe a Beretta 92f or the like.
I have a few guns with external safeties. Most are 1911s and one is an H&K.
If you have to have an external look at H&K or maybe a Beretta 92f or the like.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 1:34 pm to bbvdd
That will work just fine as long as I have the time to rack a round should the emergency need arise. The problem is AFTER firing that first round, the trigger is way light (NOT 6.5 lbs. as the manual says, but more like about 4.5 lb.) and is much more prone to an accidental discharge. And the remedy for that is to drop the mag, eject the chambered round, reload and reinsert the mag, and not rechamber a live round until I may need it. External safety would make it much safer to carry with a round chambered and would eliminate the need to drop the mag, etc...
Thanks! Will do that.
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If you have to have an external look at H&K or maybe a Beretta 92f or the like.
Thanks! Will do that.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 1:48 pm to BFIV
quote:1. I don't own a PPX. So maybe someone who knows more about them than I do can't chime in and correct me.
This Walther is in semi-cock after the first round and the trigger is very light.
2. The Op seems to know little about the PPX, other than the fact that he's uncomfortable with it.
3. I don't think the operation is significantly different from Glocks. When you chamber the first round, you have "half-cocked" (Walther calls it "pre-cocked") the hammer ("striker" on the Glocks). But you still have to exert 6-1/2 pounds of force to fire the gun -- and every round requires the same amount of force (from first round to the 16th or 17th round). This is why the ATF classifies it as a DAO pistol.
4. Glocks and M&P's have trigger weights similar to that of the PPX. And both of them have "consistent" trigger pulls (i.e. every trigger pull requires the same amount of force), like the PPX.
5. No offense to the OP, but he might just be better off (more comfortable emotionally) with a hammerless revolver that has a 12-15 pound trigger (like a S&W J-frame Centennial). Some people are just not ready for a semi-auto.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:00 pm to BFIV
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That will work just fine as long as I have the time to rack a round should the emergency need arise.
And if you unsuccessfully rack a round or don't have both hands available, your gun is effectively useless.
I've carried guns with no external safeties concealed since I got my license years ago. The holster is more important than the presence of an external safety.
But if you honestly feel that way, different strokes for different folks. I just think you're making a misinformed decision. You should compensate by practicing more with the gun than by choosing an entirely different one.
My 2 cents...
EDIT: 1911s have grip safeties and thumb safeties because they were invented before cars when men carried guns on horseback. In case of the gun falling from the holster, it had an extra couple layers of protection. Technology has obviously made this layering of safeties obsolete.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:13 pm to dawg23
Enjoying reading yall's opinions here.
Somewhat true. This is the first semi-auto I've ever owned. I know a lot more about it now than I did before I bought it.
This is what DAO says, and I don't have a trigger gauge, so I believe what it says. However:
The trigger travel distance for subsequent rounds is much shorter and this certainly makes it feel to me as though the trigger is "light".
I've shot several semi-auto's through the years. Just never owned one until now. And I still want one with an external safety.
LINK
I copied and pasted this little bit of information which is consistent with the other reviews.
The Walther website lists the trigger pull weight as being 6.5 pounds. That may be true if you measure the pull weight for the entirety of the stroke. However, if you take up the half inch of slack in the initial pull to the point where the hammer visibly begins to move to the rear, and you feel the pressure of the trigger spring beginning to cock the hammer, the remaining pull is very short, and can’t weigh more than 3 pounds. This trigger allows for very precise shots during slow fire operation. It is also smooth in rapid fire. In law enforcement circles, it would make an excellent hostage rescue pistol. It is a superb trigger for a modern combat pistol.
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2. The Op seems to know little about the PPX, other than the fact that he's uncomfortable with it.
Somewhat true. This is the first semi-auto I've ever owned. I know a lot more about it now than I did before I bought it.
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But you still have to exert 6-1/2 pounds of force to fire the gun [quote]
This is what DAO says, and I don't have a trigger gauge, so I believe what it says. However:
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every round requires the same amount of force (from first round to the 16th or 17th round). This is why the ATF classifies it as a DAO pistol.
The trigger travel distance for subsequent rounds is much shorter and this certainly makes it feel to me as though the trigger is "light".
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Some people are just not ready for a semi-auto.
I've shot several semi-auto's through the years. Just never owned one until now. And I still want one with an external safety.
LINK
I copied and pasted this little bit of information which is consistent with the other reviews.
The Walther website lists the trigger pull weight as being 6.5 pounds. That may be true if you measure the pull weight for the entirety of the stroke. However, if you take up the half inch of slack in the initial pull to the point where the hammer visibly begins to move to the rear, and you feel the pressure of the trigger spring beginning to cock the hammer, the remaining pull is very short, and can’t weigh more than 3 pounds. This trigger allows for very precise shots during slow fire operation. It is also smooth in rapid fire. In law enforcement circles, it would make an excellent hostage rescue pistol. It is a superb trigger for a modern combat pistol.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:19 pm to BFIV
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It is a superb trigger for a modern combat pistol.
So where's the problem? A gun that is easier to be accurate with but lacks an external safety is LESS safe for you than a gun with a longer trigger and no external safety that is harder to be accurate with?
I would say the gun that is easier to be accurate with is a safer gun. Now, I wouldn't carry a gun with a 6 ounce trigger or anything, but keeping within reason, I would much rather something with a trigger that is easier to manipulate.
EDIT: I doubt we will change your mind, but I'm just trying to point out that your holdups with the PPX are emotionally-based and not logically-based. But if you're okay with that, so am I.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:31 pm to bapple
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So where's the problem?
I respect your and other gun salesmen, instructors, and enthusiasts opinions and knowledge here on the OB. The problem I have with the Walther (and probably other, similar semi-autos) is simple. I just feel like the possibility of accidental discharge on this type of handgun is much less with an external safety. Without some kind of external safety, I am just outside my comfort zone. That's what floats MY boat.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:32 pm to BFIV
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why does the 1911 Colt have a grip safety?
Because that's how it was designed. All the 1911's I have owned, I still never went around jerking on the trigger, external safety or not.
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