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re: Not happy with this Walther...

Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:12 pm to
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8808 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:12 pm to
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Literally no modern semi will do this


The PPX most certainly will discharge if dropped and the trigger manages to come in contact with something in just the right way, especially after the first shot. Granted, the odds are small, but it is possible. And if you've never transported a loaded, unholstered handgun in the glove compartment, tackle box, or tool box then I suspect you are one of the few who hasn't.

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If you're not careful, regardless of "safety" choice, you're going to shoot yourself.


On that, I definitely agree with you. And that same bit of wisdom applies to everyone here. That's my whole point in this discussion. I intend to continue to be careful. Look man, not trying to be argumentative here. If the modern semi-auto without a mechanical safety satisfies you, then fine and dandy. I just demand that extra layer of safe gun handling security. And from some of the smart aleck comments posted by a few folks, it certainly appears to me that "safety" may not necessarily be their first priority with a handgun.
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33716 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:14 pm to
My recommendation of you taking a class was not so you could learn to like the walther. I don't care if you like it or not.

It sounds like you are uncomfortable around firearms and haven't the clue about quality equipment and how to properly use it or how new semi auto handguns actually function.

Taking a class would allow you to be exposed to all that and would then allow you to make a valid reason instead of the multiple reasons that you gave that were proven false.

I don't really care what you carry. Just carry something in a quality holster and practice. Get some training and be proficient with your revolver or whatever. Dont be the next douche to shoot yourself in the leg.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95513 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:15 pm to
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The PPX most certainly will discharge if dropped


No, it will not.

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the trigger manages to come in contact with something in just the right way,


All weapons will fire under these circumstances.

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And if you've never transported a loaded, unholstered handgun in the glove compartment, tackle box, or tool box then I suspect you are one of the few who hasn't.


Here we go. If you do not protect the trigger when transporting a loaded weapon, you're literally gambling that G-d will prevent you from shooting yourself (or worse, someone else), accidentally. I have never transported a loaded pistol or revolver anywhere, anytime, without a holster completely covering and protecting the trigger.

Maybe I am the only one, but I bet I'm not.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 8:16 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87235 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:35 pm to
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Here we go. If you do not protect the trigger when transporting a loaded weapon, you're literally gambling that G-d will prevent you from shooting yourself (or worse, someone else), accidentally. I have never transported a loaded pistol or revolver anywhere, anytime, without a holster completely covering and protecting the trigger.



Who would do this, and why?

Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
95513 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:43 pm to
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Who would do this, and why?




The OP is implying he does it. He throws the revolver in the glove compartment and, I guess, prays that it doesn't go off when he takes it out, with all the other crap stuffed in there.

So, to the OP. I take it back. You need a safety, a trigger lock, a chamber plug AND some sort of secure box that someone else has to unlock for you.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 8:43 pm
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
20822 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:46 pm to
I bought a SW Shield because it has an external safety and I thought it would make me feel better about handling it.

I have never had the safety engaged.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8808 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:50 pm to
I can remember quite well back when the only holster I and others had or could afford was an old sock.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8808 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:52 pm to
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He throws the revolver in the glove compartment and, I guess, prays that it doesn't go off when he takes it out,


Not hardly. But, well played for exaggeration and sarcasm!
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23460 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:58 pm to
Guys, isn't this getting a little too stirred up?

Plenty of people are old enough to be very familiar with pistols before Glock changed the game. The Walther gets solid reviews, and is a familiar brand, so someone schooled on a 1911, HP or S&W 39, but is not up to speed with the current pistols, might buy or accept one on name value.
They then learn it's a polymer striker-fired pistol, with no external safeties, and decide that wasn't what they wanted or are comfortable with.

-edited to delete- I misread the post. He got a good deal, and chose to act on it without fully researching it- my bad.


That's "making a mistake", as the OP stated. He owned up to it. I don't think he's ignorant or in need of a training class, he's trying to express the reasons HE DOESN'T LIKE IT.

Steer him to something more in his comfort zone; there are plenty of guns that fit his wants. We don't all have to have the same pistol, we just have to support each other's desire and right to own one if he so chooses.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 9:02 pm
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23460 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:09 pm to
Ok BFIV-

So, in the interest of more better happiness-

describe what you like and want. The Walther wasn't for you; and frankly, that's all that needs to be said. We've all bought a couple of things that weren't all they were cracked up to be.

So- truck/glovebox gun, right? External controls- safety, or decock?
Ambi, or just on the left hand side of the frame ok?
Can it be single action, or is DA/SA ok?
Metal frame only, or is polymer frame ok?
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8808 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:34 pm to
In order as you listed, my preferences are:
1. glove box and CC, external safety
2. right handed
3. DA/SA is preferred
4. Metal or polymer frame is fine
5. I have big hands. I want one that fits big hands. I don't want anything with a grip that does not accomodate all four fingers.
6. Does not have to be 16 rounds. After 50 years, anything over 6 rounds is a plus.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23460 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:53 pm to
Hmmm, the trick will be reconciling both CC, and big enough to comfortably hold in your hand.

Maybe a CZ 75 Compact, or something similar. Not the Rami, I think the grip would be too small. You probably don't want a barrel longer than 4 inches if you are going to conceal, although lots of people can creatively do this.

Or a Commander 1911 model (added)
I'm sure there are plenty of others that people can suggest
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 9:54 pm
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8808 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 9:55 pm to
I've always had a sweet tooth for that Commander 1911.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23460 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:08 pm to
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I've always had a sweet tooth for that Commander 1911.

and now you have some trade bait!
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5066 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:09 pm to
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The PPX most certainly will discharge if dropped and the trigger manages to come in contact with something in just the right way, especially after the first shot.
I truly wish I could understand why you keep mentioning this. Unless I (along with the BATF) am completely wrong, your gun is DAO. You have posted that the trigger's length of travel is greater for the first round than for all subsequent rounds -- I don't think this is the case (unless you have learned to use the reset position -- which would be a good thing).
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I just demand that extra layer of safe gun handling security. And from some of the smart aleck comments posted by a few folks, it certainly appears to me that "safety" may not necessarily be their first priority with a handgun.
a. You're actually demanding an extra layer that you think will guard against unsafe gun handling. Surely you're familiar with the old saying, "Nothing is foolproof because fools are so ingenious." Not saying that you are a fool -- but the preceding statement applies to a lot of gun owners who rely on a mechanical, external safety device.

b. I have yet to run across anyone on this board who thinks safety falls somewhere below priority #1. By now many of them are likely wondering why they have attempted to disabuse you of some ignorant (not stupid - ignorant) notions and/or why you started this thread.

c. You have acknowledged that you know virtually nothing about semi-auto handguns, yet you continue to argue about features (and the lack thereof) of the PPX pistol, training (and your lack thereof), and holsters/glove boxes/whatever as dangerous conveyance modes for your pistol. Unless you're enjoying the controversy, why not just sell the gun you have and go buy something that won't evoke the fear you're experiencing? (and get some training)

d. I wish you the best of luck in whatever choice(s) you make.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8808 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:16 pm to
I just want an external safety, Dawg. Makes me feel more comfortable with it. Just the way I was raised, I guess, and the fact that I'm an old fart and set in my ways. And it is for sale.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 10:20 pm
Posted by dawg23
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Jul 2011
5066 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:20 pm to
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I just want an external safety, Dawg.
I get it. You've posted this numerous times.

Go buy one, and enjoy it.
Posted by BFIV
Virginia
Member since Apr 2012
8808 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:34 pm to
Gave you an upvote on that one, Dawg!
Posted by Propagandalf
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
2528 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:46 pm to
It just sounds like you're relying on an external safety to relieve you of some of the safe gun handling reaponsibilities. I think that's why so many are recommending you take a class.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
23460 posts
Posted on 5/10/16 at 10:55 pm to
Dawg- I just watched Hickok45's video, and it is neither DAO, nor striker fired. It's a SA hammer-fired gun. He points this out- you don't get a second strike on a dud, you can see the hammer cock when you rack the slide.

So I can see the concern- it's like having a 1911, without having an external thumb safety, a grip safety, or even being able to lower the hammer from what I can tell.

Hickok also notes the easy, light trigger (he likes it for shooting, but also says that he could see how some people could have concerns with carrying it chambered).

LINK
Go to 15:50 for his description of the trigger.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 11:00 pm
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