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re: Not happy with this Walther...
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:42 pm to shawnlsu
Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:42 pm to shawnlsu
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All the 1911's I have owned, I still never went around jerking on the trigger, external safety or not.
I'm glad to see that you are safety conscious and don't go around jerking on the trigger, safety or no safety. But for all those 1911's you have owned, you have no way of knowing how many times that external safety may have prevented an accidental discharge and you didn't even know it when you may have caught the trigger on a holster, shirt tail, pocket knife, or set of truck keys in your pocket or it shifted positions in the glove compartment and something pressed against the trigger.
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 2:45 pm to BFIV
If you're trying to carry it and want an external safety, look into a Shield
Posted on 5/9/16 at 3:12 pm to BFIV
I'm not sure how the quoted link is pertinent.
6.5 pounds = 6.5 pounds. Staging a trigger doesn't change the weight. (IOW you can't suspend the laws of physics.)
6.5 pounds = 6.5 pounds. Staging a trigger doesn't change the weight. (IOW you can't suspend the laws of physics.)
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 5/9/16 at 4:07 pm to BFIV
Can't believe this hasn't been posted yet.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 4:09 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
What movie is that from?
Posted on 5/9/16 at 10:26 pm to BFIV
BFIV,
Obviously you're very uncomfortable w/ the PPX. Consequently, I'd suggest you go an entirely different direction. As I see it, your options are:
1. A striker-type gun w/ an external safety lever, e.g. some Shield models.
2. A SAO gun (e.g. a 1911-type gun), most of which have 2 external safeties (grip and thumb safety). 1911 type guns will have a short and light (compared to striker guns) trigger pull; my two are a measure 4# and 4.25#.
3. A DAO semi-auto that has a longer trigger pull, e.g. Kahr and others. My Kahr CW45 has a long pull like a DAO revolver, but it's only a measured 5.75#. My Keltec PF9 is 5.25# so it's lighter, but much longer; than the Kahr; my Keltec P3-AT is 6.75#.
From what you've written, I think you'll feel "safer" w/ a longer, rather than shorter, trigger pull.
Obviously you're very uncomfortable w/ the PPX. Consequently, I'd suggest you go an entirely different direction. As I see it, your options are:
1. A striker-type gun w/ an external safety lever, e.g. some Shield models.
2. A SAO gun (e.g. a 1911-type gun), most of which have 2 external safeties (grip and thumb safety). 1911 type guns will have a short and light (compared to striker guns) trigger pull; my two are a measure 4# and 4.25#.
3. A DAO semi-auto that has a longer trigger pull, e.g. Kahr and others. My Kahr CW45 has a long pull like a DAO revolver, but it's only a measured 5.75#. My Keltec PF9 is 5.25# so it's lighter, but much longer; than the Kahr; my Keltec P3-AT is 6.75#.
From what you've written, I think you'll feel "safer" w/ a longer, rather than shorter, trigger pull.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 3:24 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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3. A DAO semi-auto that has a longer trigger pull, e.g. Kahr and others. My Kahr CW45 has a long pull like a DAO revolver, but it's only a measured 5.75#. My Keltec PF9 is 5.25# so it's lighter, but much longer; than the Kahr; my Keltec P3-AT is 6.75#.
OR,
4. A SA/DA with a decocker - in other words, Classic Sigs.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 4:40 pm to Ace Midnight
Thanks for all the suggestions! I've got a list now, thanks to yall, to check out and see which one I like the best for my needs. Anything without an external safety is off the list. Length of trigger pull is really not that much of a concern. I am going to get something that fits my hand, something that is reliable, something with which I am comfortable shooting, and something that will not discharge accidentally in the glove compartment or fire if dropped or the trigger gets caught on something. If only that PPX had an external safety for us old school guys because, otherwise, I really like it. 
Edited to add: I really like the looks and feel of a 1911 type or repro. King Ranch might agree?
Edited to add: I really like the looks and feel of a 1911 type or repro. King Ranch might agree? This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 5:18 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:
OR,
4. A SA/DA with a decocker - in other words, Classic Sigs
That's true. I frequently forget the "Classic Sig" option because the whole DA/SA/Decocker thing confuses my simple mind.
The older I get, the more I find myself embracing simplicity. 
Posted on 5/10/16 at 5:19 pm to BFIV
Take a class.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 5:35 pm to BFIV
The two that I'd suggest that are dao/sao with decocker and safety:
H&K USP and USP compact or HK45 or HK45 compact
H&K USP and USP compact or HK45 or HK45 compact
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:02 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
quote:
That's true. I frequently forget the "Classic Sig" option because the whole DA/SA/Decocker thing confuses my simple mind. The older I get, the more I find myself embracing simplicity.
They're fantastic pistols to own, clean, shoot. They're just a little heavy to carry and they are pricey.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:11 pm to BFIV
quote:
something that will not discharge accidentally in the glove compartment
WTF?
quote:
fire if dropped
Literally no modern semi will do this, nor double action revolver for that point. You probably do need a class specific to semiautos if you're going to be carrying/using one.
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or the trigger gets caught on something.
If you're not careful, regardless of "safety" choice, you're going to shoot yourself. You've said this in almost every post. Get some training. Spend your money on training for that matter. That's my best recommendation at this point.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:28 pm to maisweh
Bunch of BS responses here from snobs (sorry, but it's true).
Guy posts a thread where he states that he feels he made a mistake, doesn't like that he bought a pistol with no external safety.
A number of people mock him about that. Somebody put up some smiley faces, and a few people upvoted that.
There are any number of people who like and own guns, that want the added safety. It's totally acceptable and a personal choice.
You might feel the same, buying a car that has paddle shifters instead of a stick shift, or an automatic transmission. That's fine, and yes, it's ok to feel you made a mistake.
Best remedy- there are people who desire a pistol like this, as stated in good condition. Find one willing to buy it at a price you are comfortable with, sell it, and get something you like.
Guy posts a thread where he states that he feels he made a mistake, doesn't like that he bought a pistol with no external safety.
A number of people mock him about that. Somebody put up some smiley faces, and a few people upvoted that.
There are any number of people who like and own guns, that want the added safety. It's totally acceptable and a personal choice.
You might feel the same, buying a car that has paddle shifters instead of a stick shift, or an automatic transmission. That's fine, and yes, it's ok to feel you made a mistake.
Best remedy- there are people who desire a pistol like this, as stated in good condition. Find one willing to buy it at a price you are comfortable with, sell it, and get something you like.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:49 pm to Scoob
Thanks for the validation, Scoob. As I said before, I'm old school and a semi-auto handgun without a mechanical safety is just that: a semi-auto handgun without a mechanical safety. I don't need to take a class to know that. I'll get something that suits my tastes and needs. Different strokes for different folks. I am a product of my times, my generation, and the firearm safety procedures that were beat into my head from the time I got my first cork shooter. The snobs don't bother me. They, apparently, simply do not appreciate or understand just how easily this PPX can be unintentionally discharged, with or without human error.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:54 pm to Scoob
Couple of choices off the top of my head, there are plenty more:
1911 (you mentioned you like those), has thumb and grip safety. Keep in mind that once off safe, even a "crappy" 1911 trigger is nicer and lighter than a lot of other pistols. And you mentioned liking the extra ammo option, most 1911s are going to be 7 or 8 shot.
CZ- can get the cocked and locked option (B), or the Decocker (BD). If you want to use the safety to disable the trigger, it must be cocked (a B version).
Beretta gives you a decocker which disables the trigger, if you so choose.
Sig I believe just decocks.
as for shooting and reholstering, I'm not sure on official range rules, but whenever I'm at a range, I clear my handguns before I leave the bay (I would never reholster a loaded gun and walk out). I don't think they would like that, just my opinion. So you're probably best to learn to clear the gun whenever you intend to shoot it.
If you have to use it in defense, I'm really thinking you probably better not plan on reholstering it, because when the police arrive, they won't be happy with that either.
1911 (you mentioned you like those), has thumb and grip safety. Keep in mind that once off safe, even a "crappy" 1911 trigger is nicer and lighter than a lot of other pistols. And you mentioned liking the extra ammo option, most 1911s are going to be 7 or 8 shot.
CZ- can get the cocked and locked option (B), or the Decocker (BD). If you want to use the safety to disable the trigger, it must be cocked (a B version).
Beretta gives you a decocker which disables the trigger, if you so choose.
Sig I believe just decocks.
as for shooting and reholstering, I'm not sure on official range rules, but whenever I'm at a range, I clear my handguns before I leave the bay (I would never reholster a loaded gun and walk out). I don't think they would like that, just my opinion. So you're probably best to learn to clear the gun whenever you intend to shoot it.
If you have to use it in defense, I'm really thinking you probably better not plan on reholstering it, because when the police arrive, they won't be happy with that either.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:03 pm to BFIV
quote:No problem!
Thanks for the validation, Scoob. As I said before, I'm old school and a semi-auto handgun without a mechanical safety is just that: a semi-auto handgun without a mechanical safety. I don't need to take a class to know that. I'll get something that suits my tastes and needs. Different strokes for different folks. I am a product of my times, my generation, and the firearm safety procedures that were beat into my head from the time I got my first cork shooter. The snobs don't bother me.
I prefer metal-framed handguns with external controls myself. I've heard some people comment that they were "obsolete", but the last time I checked, they fire the same ammo the other guns do; 9x19, 45 acp, etc. I've got 18 rd magazines for my CZ and Beretta, and have that option with my 3rd Gen S&W (and not too far off with my Hi Power), so the hi-cap option is there.
"Obsolete", to me, would be a black powder revolver.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:07 pm to BFIV
quote:
They, apparently, simply do not appreciate or understand just how easily this PPX can be unintentionally discharged, with or without human error.
This is my problem with your entire thread.
NO unintentional discharge of a modern firearm is without human error. Period.
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