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re: Deer rifle for slight 15 year old girl
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:23 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:23 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Are you against an AR for a deer rifle?
I would seriously look at an AR-10. Pick your caliber .308, 7mm-08, 6.5cm etc.
The great thing about the AR is the adjustable stock. Plus if you get an adjustable gas block you can get the gun to the point of least recoil while still operating smoothly.
I have one in 6.5cm. It’s an amazing gun that both my kids have no issue shooting.
I’m not getting into the caliber debate. They all will work.
You may even consider an AR-15 in 6.5 grendel or 6.8 spc.
I would seriously look at an AR-10. Pick your caliber .308, 7mm-08, 6.5cm etc.
The great thing about the AR is the adjustable stock. Plus if you get an adjustable gas block you can get the gun to the point of least recoil while still operating smoothly.
I have one in 6.5cm. It’s an amazing gun that both my kids have no issue shooting.
I’m not getting into the caliber debate. They all will work.
You may even consider an AR-15 in 6.5 grendel or 6.8 spc.
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Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:25 am to tenfoe
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And kids make more bad shots than adults, therefore a bigger piece of lead making a bigger hole is better if they can handle the gun.
So teach a kid to overcompensate instead of making an ethical shot? Makes sense.
I'm not disagreeing with you. You are absolutely right about kids making bad shots. But if the kid can't make a good shot with a gun like a .243, having them do it with a bigger gun doesn't change that. All you're doing is saying it's ok to not be a good shot as long as you have a big enough bullet.
This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 10:27 am
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:26 am to AP83
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my daughter is 10 and very skinny and has been shooting a ruger american compact .308 with regular 150 grain winchester power point bullets for 2 years now with no issues.
Interesting. I use a .308 and have kept her away from it because I don’t want to create a flinch in her. She’s very good with a scoped .22 and has moved up well to the AR. I should stop being a puss and turn her loose on the .308 after a few weeks of intense repetition with the smaller calibers.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:33 am to Cowboyfan89
Not what hes saying at all. You have to make a good shot with a bigger gun. You have to make a perfect shot with a .243
Big difference
Big difference
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:36 am to olgoi khorkhoi
My 15yo daughter shoots my Rem 700 in .270 win
Posted on 7/20/18 at 10:37 am to olgoi khorkhoi
308 with a suppressor
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:16 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Really cant recall how many it's been. The dog is 9 years old now.
Well, this proves you can at least count to 9, so I agree that's already too many deer to have to track. But again, betting that on the "excellent shots", it could be a bullet choice issue.
On the not so excellent shots, the caliber probably didn't matter. I made a "not so excellent shot" (a little too far back of the shoulder) on a buck with a .30-06 and like to have never found that deer.
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It'll get the job done for sure and an experienced shooter will do fine with it. I dont like seeing a kid use it. A 7mm-08 or one of the 6.5's gives a much wider margin for error with negligible increase in recoil.
"Negligible increase" is all relative. It all depends on the kid. What I hate to see is a parent and kid at the range, the kid fires 3 shots and has had enough already. He shot a 6 inch group and the parent says, good enough for a deer size animal.
Spend some money on good hearing protection, start with recoil they can handle, and teach them to shoot tight groups without flinching. That takes repetition. If they can't shoot 20 to 40 rounds at a sitting, they may be over-gunned.
I started my daughter on a .257 Roberts, with Nozler 85 grain hand loads. That's a ballistic tip bullet, which I'm not terribly fond of in smaller high velocity rounds, but she doesn't hunt. The rifle is custom built and a fairly heavy gun, resulting in low recoil. After a couple of sessions, shooting a couple of boxes of ammo per session, I had her consistently shooting 1.5" 5 shot groups. She's a big girl now, and still loves to go to the range with dad. I don't enjoy it as much because I don't like getting embarrassed. She sill loves that .257 R and will shoot sub MOA on the right day.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:18 am to Cowboyfan89
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So teach a kid to overcompensate instead of making an ethical shot? Makes sense.
That's not at all what I was saying, you arrogant fricking douchebag.
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All you're doing is saying it's ok to not be a good shot as long as you have a big enough bullet.
Again, you are still don't get it.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:19 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:So dumb
You have to make a perfect shot with a .243
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:25 am to olgoi khorkhoi
7mm 08 all the way.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:31 am to olgoi khorkhoi
Shot placement and quality bullet construction are the most important factors.
Back in the glory days of elephant hunting, W.D.M. Bell killed scores of elephant with rifles like the .256 Mannlicher-Schonauer (7mm) and the 7x57 Mauser (my personal favorite. The point is that shot placement is critical to success.
I think hunters spend far too little time considering the load and construction of their rounds relative to the brand, action, and caliber of their rifles.
The .243 is a more than adequate round for whitetail deer (and much larger game). Teach her to drive nails with it. Teach her the anatomy of a deer. Buy her a quality round (that her individual rifle shoots in close groups) and turn her loose.
Back in the glory days of elephant hunting, W.D.M. Bell killed scores of elephant with rifles like the .256 Mannlicher-Schonauer (7mm) and the 7x57 Mauser (my personal favorite. The point is that shot placement is critical to success.
I think hunters spend far too little time considering the load and construction of their rounds relative to the brand, action, and caliber of their rifles.
The .243 is a more than adequate round for whitetail deer (and much larger game). Teach her to drive nails with it. Teach her the anatomy of a deer. Buy her a quality round (that her individual rifle shoots in close groups) and turn her loose.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:31 am to olgoi khorkhoi
My daughter was 11 when I bought her .308.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:46 am to tenfoe
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Again, you are still don't get it.
Oh, I definitely does get it. It's not necessary to kill a deer. Don't take a shot if you can't put it where it needs to be.
If you are shooting larger rounds because you want to or for longer shots, I have no issue with that. But giving a kid a larger round because it has a larger margin of error is compensating for insufficient shooting technique, or poor ammo selection as another poster pointed out.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:48 am to Tiger4Liberty
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Shot placement and quality bullet construction are the most important factors.
Amen!
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The .243 is a more than adequate round for whitetail deer (and much larger game). Teach her to drive nails with it. Teach her the anatomy of a deer. Buy her a quality round (that her individual rifle shoots in close groups) and turn her loose.
That's it. Years ago, I went to Wyoming to hunt mule deer and elk with a friend that lived there. He hunted elk with several calibers of rifles. When he was still hunting elk in thick timber, he carried either a .243 or a .30-30, both with iron sights only. If he was hunting open country, he carried a .300 Win Mag or a .270, both scoped. I was young and had never seen an elk. After seeing one on the hoof, I questioned whether either the .243 or the .30-30 was enough gun. He just laughed and showed me the pics of all the elk they had killed with those two calibers.
ETA: Will say that tracking an elk in thick timber does not necessarily require an exit wound and blood trail. Just look for the path of broken branches where it looks like someone drove a D-9 dozer. They don't bother dodging smaller branches and trees. They just run over or through them.
This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:50 am to AlxTgr
Kids tend to miss when they flinch. My sons shoot 243s. Hell I've killed axis with a 204 ruger. Teaching them how to shoot is more important.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:52 am to olgoi khorkhoi
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She’s very good with a scoped .22 and has moved up well to the AR
If she's comfortable with the AR-15 then as mentioned above the 6.5 grendel or 6.8 spc might be what you are looking for.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 11:55 am to Cowboyfan89
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But giving a kid a larger round because it has a larger margin of error is compensating for insufficient shooting technique, or poor ammo selection as another poster pointed out.
Or possibly compensating for the fact that kids are miniature humans with less experience than grown arse men, and acknowledging the fact they will statistically make more mistakes because (guess why) they are miniature people. It's not based on irresponsibility as you suggest, rather the opposite. I figure all the "ethical" hunters would agree, but that's what I get for assuming. Talk to the guys who have blood dogs for-hire and ask what's the most common round used by people they end up tracking deer long distances for.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 12:04 pm to tenfoe
My kids both shoot the Ruger American Compact in 7mm-08.
They use the Hornady 120gr SST Reduced Recoil rounds.
I shoot 140gr Remington Core Lokt out of it.
Much different rounds for different reasons.
I don't think anyone has mentioned the .25-06.
It is another excellent caliber for your needs.
They use the Hornady 120gr SST Reduced Recoil rounds.
I shoot 140gr Remington Core Lokt out of it.
Much different rounds for different reasons.
I don't think anyone has mentioned the .25-06.
It is another excellent caliber for your needs.
Posted on 7/20/18 at 12:32 pm to Tigerhead
It's not a bullet selection issue. It's a caliber selection issue. All .243 bullets are lightly constructed and very fast.
I've never met a kid who couldn't easily handle 7mm-08 recoil. 7mm-08 is a better caliber for shooting deer than .243. There is no reason to use a .243
I've never met a kid who couldn't easily handle 7mm-08 recoil. 7mm-08 is a better caliber for shooting deer than .243. There is no reason to use a .243
This post was edited on 7/20/18 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 7/20/18 at 12:46 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
What about a 30-30?
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