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SportTiger1
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Stonewall, LA
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
This didnt go as OP expected


AlxTgr
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Kyre Banorg
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
How did we end up with two of these, both active?


DeltaDoc
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Member since Jan 2008
13928 posts

re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
First off, you are wrong. I think we are finally allowing the animals to reach potential via QDM.

Second, this type of post perfectly encapsulates why Arkansas, Texas and Mississippi hunters loath having Louisiana residents lease land in their states (I say this with Louisiana genetics in my blood).

I think it relates back culturally to the subsistence manner of survival for Cajuns in early settlement of the area.

Louisianans are horrible at QDM as a group (there are exceptions) as compared to their neighboring states.

If meat is your thing, shoot does. With bucks, let them reach maturity unless there is an obvious genetic flaw.

I think we are living in the best time in history to hunt deer. They are more plentiful and larger because of proper management.


SportTiger1
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Member since Feb 2007
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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How did we end up with two of these, both active?


looks like one started on another board and was moved at the same time as OP created this one.


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Ron Cheramie
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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First off, you are wrong. I think we are finally allowing the animals to reach potential via QDM. 



you could say that or you could say we are doing artificial selection which is truly what it is



AlxTgr
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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you could say that or you could say we are doing artificial selection which is truly what it is

No way.


Ron Cheramie
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
well if we are shooting the biggest, mature ("healthiest") bucks out there then that goes against natural selection dont you think?

natural selection takes out the weakest individuals


so it's exactly artificial selection

not saying it's wrong or anything but it is not NATURAL selection

selecting for certain traits or certain age classes is the very definition of artificial selection
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SportTiger1
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Member since Feb 2007
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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hen that goes against natural selection dont you think?


hunting as a whole goes against natural selection.


fillmoregandt
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Member since Nov 2009
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
I think you’re over thinking it. Natural selection and “artificial” selection are mutually exclusive. Natural selection will always occur. What you’re referring to as artificial selection is maintenance on the herd after natural selection is complete.

A herd of cows will lose a few to disease, predators, etc (natural selection). The rancher then will manage his herd according to the most effective and efficient means, one of which is age structure (artificial selection according to your definition, though you could argue that killing older deer opposed to young deer more aligns with natural selection, ie dying of old age)
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AlxTgr
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
Nothing is going to be "natural", but killing older is much closer. With no restrictions, 1.5s are going to be absolutely slaughtered. 2.5s are going to be hit hard as well. That is way more unnatural than killing older deer. There isn't a way to shoot unhealthy deer really. Those are going to get taken out on their own.


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Ron Cheramie
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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hunting as a whole goes against natural selection. ?



correct it's basically artificial selection which is what I stated


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smoked hog
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Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
Couple of things wrong with this post.

1. Most QDM clubs are targeting deer that have lived over 75% of their natural life. So there is very little difference as far as the gene pool goes.

2. Healthiest is a bit of a misnomer here. From a strictly biological perspective the biggest racked bucks are at a slight disadvantage. Bigger rack does not make does more likely to breed with them or better fighters, it just waste minerals.

3. Age structure doesn't effect the gene pool at all. It allows certain traits that were already there to fully develop but a 1.5 yo bucks sperm isn't suddenly different at 4.5. IF clubs didn't allow the taking of super 6's or old spikes maybe you would have a point but since most do it is a moot point.

4. Survival of the fittest is commonly quoted but most don't understand that fitness is a measure of offspring produced, not being a healthier individual. Does don't care what the buck looks like just that he is there at the right time.



InfamousDosgris
LSU Fan
Gonzales, LA
Member since Jan 2019
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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Now it's "Your family is fined $500 and if you do it again your out" Sad


You have a choice to join or not join that lease. If yu don't like the rules then don't join. That simple. Some of those rules are put in place so when a hunter spends 3 years of hunting and kills a rack buck, he killed something to be very proud about. He watched it for years, grew it to its full potential, then killed it.


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CoachChappy
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Boudin Capitol of the World
Member since May 2013
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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All these big shots on tv shooting these monster pets,


Those deer the are taking are not wild deer they are running across.


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Pectus
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Internet
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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For a lot of us yes it is. Processing a deer and making ground meat, boudin, sausage, etc is an event for our family. The OP’s premise is dumb




Per pound, hunting is waaaaaay more expensive than any meat you can buy at the store.


ElDawgHawg
Arkansas Fan
L.A. (lower Arkansas)
Member since Nov 2012
1873 posts

re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
I don't think B&C had anything to do with "ruining" hunting.
Shoot what you want on your property. My lease we have a basic rule to try to shoot 4 year old or older bucks. Exceptions being agreed upon cull or first buck for any kid that's hunting that year.
I'm at the point in my hunting career where I've killed a bunch of deer... some good deer and some average or below average. I don't feel the need to shoot just "any" buck anymore.
I generally go by what I call my blood pressure rule. If the buck doesn't get my blood pressure up I'm probably not shooting.
That's what it's really about anyway. Excitement and enjoying the outdoors. I think all too often we forget that.
Sure I want a trophy... but I enjoy the process.


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GREENHEAD22
LSU Fan
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Member since Nov 2009
12658 posts

re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
Where is the location of this club and can you please give me contact info for it?


I am in desperate need of a lease for next yr.


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Ron Cheramie
The Cajun Hedgehog
Member since Aug 2016
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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2. Healthiest is a bit of a misnomer here. From a strictly biological perspective the biggest racked bucks are at a slight disadvantage. Bigger rack does not make does more likely to breed with them or better fighters, it just waste minerals. 



my point exactly the term "healthy" gets thrown around a lot and shouldn't be in many cases


InfamousDosgris
LSU Fan
Gonzales, LA
Member since Jan 2019
131 posts

re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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my wife hates the idea of mounts in the house.


We know who wears the pants in this house.


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SportTiger1
New Orleans Saints Fan
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
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re: B & C ruined deer and hunting camps
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Ron Cheramie


im not following your point...not enough coffee i guess


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