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re: Any idea what happened on my shot?
Posted on 12/2/17 at 8:32 am to KingRanch
Posted on 12/2/17 at 8:32 am to KingRanch
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silver ballistic tips [quote/]
[quote] Those things are the worst
I’ve shot a dozen or so with my 25-06 & 4 or 5 in my .300 with Ballistic Silvertips and never had one run more than 20 Yards.
Typically it looks like a bomb went off in the chest cavity.
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Posted on 12/2/17 at 8:57 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
That’s why I got a bigger dog too. His dad is 90 or so pounds, Mom smaller but he’s taking after dad. I imagine it will be interesting for him to tangle up with one.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 9:04 am to BeerThirty
Well spent all morning looking and riding that clear cut on 4 wheelers. No blood, no deer. I'm sick cause he was a dandy. This is him a few weeks ago
Posted on 12/2/17 at 9:11 am to HogBalls
Sucks. Maybe he made it and you'll get another chance.
If the cut is big maybe you can locate him by the buzzards if not.
If the cut is big maybe you can locate him by the buzzards if not.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 9:16 am to HogBalls
HB,
Two important questions:
1. What was your sight picture when the hammer dropped?
2. How is your gun sighted for trajectory at 225 yards?
From the information available, I fall into the "shot high/temporary paralysis" category; if that's the case, the deer may not be dead. This has happened to me twice. The first time was many years ago I was deer hunting in SW RX. I shot a doe at 125 w/ my 6.5 JDJ Contender pistol using a 100 gr Nosler BT at 2600 fps. The deer moved as the hammer dropped, but immediately dropped at the shot. I watched a minute or two from the stand then walked down to tag the deer. As I'm walking, I look down to open the blade on my knife. Next I look up and see the deer standing briefly, then running off w/ a palm sized splotch of blood just under the spine on the offside. I followed that deer through mesquite woods >3/4 but couldn't get another shot at it. I still remember the sight of the blood splotch. We never saw any buzzards or other sign of the dead/wounded deer. It's possible to hit high enough to miss the spine, yet miss the spine, causing a temporary paralysis. OTOH, if the deer has just exhaled, the decompressed lungs will be lower in the chest so that a high shot might miss the lungs; even if the lungs are hit, such a shot doesn't bleed very well. On top of that, a NBT at such high velocity is notorious for not exiting. That's usually ok if the bullet makes into the chest ("grenade in the chest"), but not ok if it doesn't.
I guess a brisket shot is also possible, but I'd expect some blood and possibly white hair in that case. Plus, I wouldn't expect a brisket shot to seemingly paralyze the deer.
Hopefully I'm wrong and you find the deer during the light of day. Please keep us updated. Regardless, I'd change to a controlled expansion bullet (e.g Nosler Partition or Nosler AccuBond) for the 270 WSM
Two important questions:
1. What was your sight picture when the hammer dropped?
2. How is your gun sighted for trajectory at 225 yards?
From the information available, I fall into the "shot high/temporary paralysis" category; if that's the case, the deer may not be dead. This has happened to me twice. The first time was many years ago I was deer hunting in SW RX. I shot a doe at 125 w/ my 6.5 JDJ Contender pistol using a 100 gr Nosler BT at 2600 fps. The deer moved as the hammer dropped, but immediately dropped at the shot. I watched a minute or two from the stand then walked down to tag the deer. As I'm walking, I look down to open the blade on my knife. Next I look up and see the deer standing briefly, then running off w/ a palm sized splotch of blood just under the spine on the offside. I followed that deer through mesquite woods >3/4 but couldn't get another shot at it. I still remember the sight of the blood splotch. We never saw any buzzards or other sign of the dead/wounded deer. It's possible to hit high enough to miss the spine, yet miss the spine, causing a temporary paralysis. OTOH, if the deer has just exhaled, the decompressed lungs will be lower in the chest so that a high shot might miss the lungs; even if the lungs are hit, such a shot doesn't bleed very well. On top of that, a NBT at such high velocity is notorious for not exiting. That's usually ok if the bullet makes into the chest ("grenade in the chest"), but not ok if it doesn't.
I guess a brisket shot is also possible, but I'd expect some blood and possibly white hair in that case. Plus, I wouldn't expect a brisket shot to seemingly paralyze the deer.
Hopefully I'm wrong and you find the deer during the light of day. Please keep us updated. Regardless, I'd change to a controlled expansion bullet (e.g Nosler Partition or Nosler AccuBond) for the 270 WSM
Posted on 12/2/17 at 9:22 am to HogBalls
Hope you find it. I shot a good buck yesterday and never recovered. A crappy feeling.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 9:30 am to TigerOnThe Hill
Gun is sighted in dead on at 200yds. Deer was broad side when I shot. He dropped instantly with his belly facing me, all 4 legs were kicking. I start climbing down from my box and see him belly crawling into the clear cut. I will admit I was shook pretty good when he came out. Breathing hard, heart beating like a drum, and the shakes. All things that make deer hunting so addictive, so I could have easily shot high at 225yds. Gonna write it off as a case of buck fever and be sick to my stomach for a few weeks.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 9:32 am to HogBalls
Bullet doesn't matter, you can shoot a Wolf FMJ into the heart or lungs and they'll be dead.
Deer don't crawl on purpose lol. You definitely had a high rear shot that paralyzed the rear legs. Likely dead, as said my guess is you weren't looking in the right place and if you do you'll find at least where he dragged himself.
Deer don't crawl on purpose lol. You definitely had a high rear shot that paralyzed the rear legs. Likely dead, as said my guess is you weren't looking in the right place and if you do you'll find at least where he dragged himself.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 9:50 am to HogBalls
Like TotH said, deer may not be dead. I put the dog on one last weekend that did the same thing. Never found blood other than where it flopped and never found the deer.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:18 am to HogBalls
Tough break. Sorry to hear that. Have a drink tonight and start getting ready for the next one.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 10:38 am to HogBalls
Where are you located, Hog? There are Facebook groups all over ms and la that will blood trail for free. Would be worth a shot to see if someone is close to you.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 1:17 pm to baldona
quote:
Bullet doesn't matter, you can shoot a Wolf FMJ into the heart or lungs and they'll be dead.
Of course the bullet matters. There’s a reason FMJ (non-expanding) bullets are universally illegal for big game hunting. Yeah, a FMJ bullet will kill a double lung/heart shot deer, but it may not be recovered due to lack of a blood trail. Since you claim the bullet doesn’t matter I’m sure you’re going to tell us you deer hunt w/ FMJ’s.
quote:
You definitely had a high rear shot that paralyzed the rear legs.
Unlikely. The OP searched a long time. Even at night the trail left by a deer dragging itself using only it’s front legs is pretty easy to follow.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 1:43 pm to HogBalls
quote:
I get down there and look for 2hrs but no blood, no meat, no hair, nothing.
This has been happening to everyone at my buddy's lease. I was up there over Thanksgiving. His little cousin shot one 100 yards out with a .270, double lung, no blood anywhere, but got lucky and found the deer.
The next day he shot one at 25 yards with a 35 Whelen. No blood, no fur, nothing. Deer vanished. He found it later in the day cutting through mud pissed off thinking he missed, wound up wiping out on the 4 wheeler and hit the ground to see a tail flapping 25 yards away. Hit both lungs and heart, but no blood trail or anything leading to where he found it.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 2:37 pm to HogBalls
quote:
I get down there and look for 2hrs but no blood, no meat, no hair, nothing
Shoot them core-lokts and you won’t have that problem.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 3:00 pm to HogBalls
I shot a spike in the front of the chest once, he fell dead with blood every where.
A couple of minutes go by and he gets up and runs off, never to be found.
Crazy shite happens when catching deers
A couple of minutes go by and he gets up and runs off, never to be found.
Crazy shite happens when catching deers
Posted on 12/2/17 at 4:35 pm to mommas boy
I'm done with the silver ballistic tips. Have heard way to many bad stories about them, and now I have a bad story also. Ordered 2 boxes of 150gr Federal Premium Nosler Partitions today. Never shot them but I've heard if you want penetration and a blood trail they are hard to beat. Have heard real good things about Coreloks too. If I don't like the Noslers I'm trying to Coreloks next.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 5:05 pm to HogBalls
I use a 270 when I hunt in my climber and use ballistic silver tips. Never had a deer take a step with one.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 6:20 pm to HogBalls
I dont deer hunt but why the hell would you "give him time" I see this often why not put another round in him? I mean won't him trying to get away or run etc won't that cause lactic acid and mess the meat up?
Posted on 12/2/17 at 6:37 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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Of course the bullet matters. There’s a reason FMJ (non-expanding) bullets are universally illegal for big game hunting.
I was obviously being sarcastic, but placement matters absolutely above and beyond everything else. If you don't shoot them in the heart and lungs or spine good luck, they can run a long way and take a long time to die.
The fact is you either choose a bullet that expands, or one that penetrates. There's a combo in between but generally you can't have everything.
My point was it's laughable to blame a lost deer on a bullet, absolutely laughable. It's the placement to blame.
The 2nd point is bullet has little to nothing to do with blood. Again that's all on placement. A high hit will not bleed almost all the time unless you get lucky and hit by a vein or something. Low hits bleed because the chest cavity fills with blood, it's purely gravity as the blood comes out only when it's filled up to the point of the hole. So again, a low shot with a fmj will bleed much much more than a high shot with a highly expanding bullet.
Lastly, hole size imo and in my experience has a ton to do with it you hit bone going in. Shooting a deer between the ribs and through just lungs or guts and the bullet doesn't have much to expand, you are lucky to get a half dollar size hole on exit. Take the same bullet and blow through a rib going in and you can easily have a fist size hole going out.
I also disagree that the deer is alive. It very well maybe alive, but deer are very very hard to find without a good blood trail or blood dog. Very hard. Woods are very very thick, I've seen it happen over and over where guys think their deer was one place and it was actually next to the next tree over which throws the entire search completely off and then someone stumbles upon it on accident.
This post was edited on 12/2/17 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 12/2/17 at 7:00 pm to gmshooter
quote:Did this once, many years ago, using open sights on a nice 8 pt. Fortunately, when he recovered and stood, I was able to put a better shot into him.
Shot high and Probably tipped the spine and paralyzed it for a few mins
Hope this isn't what happened to yours.
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