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Posted on 12/5/17 at 1:40 am to TigerOnThe Hill
I’ll never understand why people don’t buy premium bullets. You spend thousands each year for a hobby and won’t spend $25 on a high end box of bullets? It’s literally the one thing that delivers the blow to the animal.
With that said, I don’t understand why anyone would ever use ballistics. Bonded core bullets should be a no brainer.
With that said, I don’t understand why anyone would ever use ballistics. Bonded core bullets should be a no brainer.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 7:03 am to lynxcat
Lynx, my son had a .308 that was picky about what it liked. 150 grain Ballistic Tips shot best. After seeing the results of the BT on a couple of truck loads of whitetails, I’m impressed with the bullet. Also, the best blood trail I’ve ever seen was from a 115 grain Ballistic Tip from a 257 WBY. A path of blood about a foot wide painted the ground for 50 yards. 467 yards this past season on a mature buck with a 180 grain Ballistic Tip from a 300 WBY. DRT.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 7:15 am to SportTiger1
I’m the same way. I will absolutely not tolerate a bullet that doesn’t reliably exit 100% of the time. I shoot 180gr partitions out of my .30-06 and I love them. They give me the confidence to aim straight for shoulder bones at close range. They still open up enough on lung shots. I don’t see myself ever using anything other than Nosler partitions. Given the choice, I’d take a 30 yard blood trail every time rather than 95% “struck by lightning” kills with the occasional no blood anywhere commotion.
I try to steer people away from ballistic tips, especially in fast small bores which are most likely to open violently and fail to exit. I have a good blood dog and track lots of deer. They’re always either poor shot placement or a fail to exit.
I try to steer people away from ballistic tips, especially in fast small bores which are most likely to open violently and fail to exit. I have a good blood dog and track lots of deer. They’re always either poor shot placement or a fail to exit.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:22 am to 257WBY
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Nothing wrong with Ballistic tips. Seen them kill a bunch of deer in .308, 257 WBY, and 300 WBY.
They have absolutely killed a buttload of deer....thats not the point i'm making.
A large majority will drop in their tracks, maybe more so than solid/bonded bullets. But the ones that dont, you run a much greater risk of never finding that deer due to an inadequate blood trail.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:41 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I will absolutely not tolerate a bullet that doesn’t reliably exit 100% of the time.
Not sure how this is even a debate.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 10:47 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Gun hunters and their bullet debates. 
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:12 am to AlxTgr
I really couldn't care less what someone else shoots at a deer, but this one is so obvious. I'm not gonna knight for this bullet or that, but it shouldn't be a question that the goal is to get a pass through. Bow hunting only reinforces that for me.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:25 am to TheDrunkenTigah
Bullets that expand violently result in some pretty spectacular kills which is why people use them.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:26 am to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:You couch this an an issue upon which reasonable minds cannot differ, and I assure you, it is not. In fact, I can't think of any reasons why you would prefer a pass through with bullets.
but it shouldn't be a question that the goal is to get a pass through.
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The second school of thought is maximum energy dump within the body. If you want to keep the bullet in the animal’s body for maximum energy transfer, select softer bullets that expand more. The classic Power Point is a good example of this type. The Ballistic Silvertip and Deer Season XP (Extreme Point) offer similar performance, but with enhanced long range performance thanks to their more efficient ballistic shape.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:38 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Bullets that expand violently result in some pretty spectacular kills which is why people use them.
I get it, I just don't know why anyone would prioritize that over a reliable blood trail specifically for deer. IMO, and obviously people disagree, lethality isn't gonna change THAT much from a ballistic tip to a bonded core, a bad shot is a bad shot. The variable here is how much blood it leaves on the ground in the time it takes to die.
But like I said, I couldn't care less what other people choose to shoot at deer. I shoot a bonded 35 whelen and haven't managed to salvage shoulder meat in 3 seasons.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:48 am to AlxTgr
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You couch this an an issue upon which reasonable minds cannot differ, and I assure you, it is not. In fact, I can't think of any reasons why you would prefer a pass through with bullets.
The ideal scenario would be a bullet that dumps every bit of KE, blows out a large exit, and then simply falls out of the wound. No argument there.
But I'm of the opinion that in the real world, it's a bullet and any way you slice it there's enough KE being transferred to make that variable insignificant. I actually thought this is what you were implying by bringing up bow hunting. Even a straight pass through from a super fast light caliber is dumping way more energy into the deer than even the highest KE bow-arrow-broadhead combo.
You can get into hydrostatic shock and all that, and it's perfectly reasonable. It's far more important to me to get a blood trail from an exit wound, because I believe that bullet KE is down around 7th on the list of factors that determine why I will or wont be recovering this deer, behind shot placement, shot placement, shot placement, blood trail, planet alignment, if the deer has super strength etc...
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:51 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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I get it, I just don't know why anyone would prioritize that over a reliable blood trail specifically for deer.
Exit hole has little to nothing to do with blood trail in my experience. Its the location of the holes. I've seen tons of high lung pass throughs that barely bleed. The deer die before the chest cavity fills up and bleeds out.
I've also blood trailed plenty of non pass throughs especially with a bow where they were lower entrance holes and a blind man could follow the blood.
I'm just not convinced bullets really matter that much. Its placement 1st and foremost. Bullets matter, but for some shots you want one bullet and some shots you want another. Some shots a bonded bullet is much better, others a quick expanding bullet. Its really pick your poison.
Now, I do think bullet weight matters. I always try and shoot the higher weights for each caliber I'm using. I'd rather a 200 grain bullet then a 150 grain bullet given the choice.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 11:54 am
Posted on 12/5/17 at 12:16 pm to baldona
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Its the location of the holes. I've seen tons of high lung pass throughs that barely bleed. The deer die before the chest cavity fills up and bleeds out.
Two holes is better than one...no? TWSS Plus, the exit wound usually has move blood output because thats the direction the energy was generated.
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I've also blood trailed plenty of non pass throughs especially with a bow where they were lower entrance holes and a blind man could follow the blood.
Broadheads leave a larger entry wound than a .277 caliber bullet that hasn't expanded yet.
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I'm just not convinced bullets really matter that much.
Agreed to disagree. They make different bullets because they each have their own faults. It's widely accepted that ballistic tips exit less than 'solid' bullets.
Go to the facebook page with the Blood tracking dogs...one of the first questions they ask is "what type of bullet were you using?"
Posted on 12/5/17 at 12:40 pm to SportTiger1
Get you some Federal Fusions and there will be blood. Lots of it.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 1:20 pm to SportTiger1
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Posted on 12/5/17 at 1:25 pm to SportTiger1
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Agreed to disagree. They make different bullets because they each have their own faults. It's widely accepted that ballistic tips exit less than 'solid' bullets
What I mean is, I'm not convinced there is one universally better hunting bullet then any other hunting bullet.
You show me a shot where your favorite bullet is best, and I'll show you a shot where your favorite bullet would not be the best. Same with any other hunting bullet.
If you need a tracking dog for a rifle shot, then 99% of the time it was a very poor shot. I agree that an exit wound is prefered, but there are plenty of times when having a massive would upon entrance is very good if not better.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 1:57 pm to baldona
I adopt all of baldona's posts on this topic as if set forth herein in full.
I honestly had no idea people tracked rifle shot deer. I never had to when I rifle hunted, and all but one of mine were shot with the allegedly wounding master round, .243. Many of them bounced.
I honestly had no idea people tracked rifle shot deer. I never had to when I rifle hunted, and all but one of mine were shot with the allegedly wounding master round, .243. Many of them bounced.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 2:02 pm to KingRanch
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Those things are the worst
not if you put them where they are supposed to go
Posted on 12/5/17 at 2:04 pm to lynxcat
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spend $25 on a high end box of bullets?
silver ballistics are $45 a box
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