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What makes the 200m harder than the 100m it seems?

Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:43 pm
Posted by Frac the world
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:43 pm
Maybe didn’t phrase that right, but seems the top 100m bro/girl would always be right there for the 200m too.

Alfred got smoked by Thomas, and Richardson didn’t even qualify at US trials.

I can understand the flip side, why a 200m winner wouldnt be the best at 100m, acceleration being the main issue

Bolt did the double every year but seems he’s the exception.

Knowledge me track bros, is it just strictly the endurance of hauling arse for another 100m that makes the 100m specialists fall off? Is it the turn?
Posted by Pedro
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:45 pm to
quote:

is it just strictly the endurance of hauling arse for another 100m that makes the 100m specialists fall off? Is it the turn?
yes
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:46 pm to
A good question is how much would the results through history be different if it was a straight line 200m
Posted by smash williams
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:50 pm to
The turn
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:54 pm to


???? IDK.

But I do know you need A Plan for the 200. You can't run it 100% every step like the 100.

Notice how the 100 female sprinters faded down the stretch....I mean 400 guys don't just show up for the 800. I think Bolt was so far ahead of the pack at the halfway point it didn't matter if he de-accelerated toward the end.The 100 sprinters behind Thomas were fading, that's why it looked like she was pulling away so easily....but the end is just holding on.
Posted by SomethingLikeA
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 10:56 pm to
There’s a few exceptions in recent history.

Bolt and Lyles. Lyles is better at the 200m than the 100m. His 2nd -100m of the 200 is exquisite.
Posted by Jack Ruby
Member since Apr 2014
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:10 pm to
Bolt, like Phelps, spoiled everyone's expectations.
Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:13 pm to
quote:

good question is how much would the results through history be different if it was a straight line 200m

Damn. Mind blown.
Why is it a loop in the first fricking place??
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:29 pm to
quote:

Why is it a loop in the first fricking place??


Space.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 8/6/24 at 11:34 pm to
Transitioning from 100m to the 200m. it will favor top end speed and endurance over technique and thrust off the blocks.

The 200 is actually the "fastest" race in terms of average speed over distance.

World Records:

100m: 9.58
200m: 19.19 (or 9.095 seconds per 100m)
400m: 43.03 (or 10.78 seconds per 100m)

When you transition from 200m to 400m you've moved past the distance where humans (as of yet) can hold a balls to the wall sprint for that long. It's more of a fast glide (but at a near constant speed).

Transitioning up one more race to the 800m your're now needing to make the judgement call of how to run the race preserve energy/step on the gas without burning yourself out too early.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 5:01 am to
Carl Lewis back in the day was ..kinda the exception I think for100m moving up to 200. As Carl was always a 100 guy. But Bolt Johnson Lyles Thomas at some point were 400 runners that moved down. The extra stamina to get finish string the last 30 m and how to max speed a curve
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 6:01 am to
I've always thought it was something about the curve. It's always been my understanding that you have to have a different technique in the curve - whether running the 200 or one of the curve legs in the 4x100.

Back in the 90s (Atlanta Olympics) Michael Johnson was setting records in the 200 and 400 and specialized in those distances around the curves.
Posted by double d
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 6:25 am to
The curve makes the difference, same as a 60 time for a baseball player vs his actual home to 2nd time.
Posted by Zendog
Santa Barbara
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 7:06 am to
an extra 100 meters
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 8:45 am to
Yeah, the curve can cause major issues, including injuries.

Fred Kerley is an interesting case bc he has world medals at the 100 and 400 meters. Sounds like the perfect guy to dominate the 200, right?

While he has some very good times, he has also gotten injured from the curve. He is far better at the other events (and the 400 curve is less severe when you factor in the speed). That’s why he didn’t even try to make the 200 team for Paris.
Posted by CharlieTiger
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Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 9:35 am to
quote:

Lyles is better at the 200m than the 100m. His 2nd -100m of the 200 is exquisite.


He didn't start well in every race I saw him in this week. I saw the prelims up to the final and he had to catch up in every one of them. Maybe that's just his thing, but he definitely seems to be the best in the last 20 or so meters, which would make sense if he has a strong second 100.

I'd love to see him do get the double.

I remember seeing Michael Johnson in '96. I actually went to the US qualifiers they held in Atlanta before the Olympics and Johnson set a 200 WR at that.

This post was edited on 8/7/24 at 9:47 am
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:11 am to
The 100m sprinters are going as hard as they can for 100m.

It shouldn’t be sustainable for 200m. if you still have gas in the tank for another 100m run harder.

and then you have a whole other batch of athletes who maybe don’t accelerate as fast and maybe their top speed isn’t quite that fast but they can maintain it for 150m.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
16600 posts
Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:17 am to
Coming from a guy who only ran track at the high school level. I would say most people don't have the cardio energy to fully sprint for 200 m. Realistically, I truly only sprinted for the last 140m. Everything else before then was just long strides. I wasn't the only one like this. Some would start off super strong, before dying in the last 30

This might be a bit different for the Olympic guys. Im sure they are in much better shape than us high school kids. Even still, running a full 200m with full sprint is incredibly tough. Not to mention there is the curve aspect, which some people are simply not that great at running.
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 10:54 am to
After 50 meters all 100M sprinters are (slowly) decelerating. The best 100M runners just decelerate faster than everyone else, therefore maintaining a higher speed throughout the race.

The key to the 200 and 400 (and even the 800 as world class 800 runners are on average running faster than anyone else on the planet that are not world class 100/200/400 sprinters) is balancing acceleration while maintaining speed.

In the 100 you have to get to peak acceleration as soon as possible otherwise you don't hit the top end speed fast enough in a short race.
Posted by Locoguan0
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 8/7/24 at 7:33 pm to
quote:

When you transition from 200m to 400m you've moved past the distance where humans (as of yet) can hold a balls to the wall sprint for that long. It's more of a fast glide (but at a near constant speed).


Running the 400 sucked and was amazing. It is the longest "dash" for a reason.
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