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re: Zipper merge. Do you block the cars behind you?

Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:42 am to
Posted by JodyPlauche
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
9764 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:42 am to
Use both lanes to the merge spot than alternate. Its not that f/king hard.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12610 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:42 am to
I’ll usually let one car in. I figure that’s my social responsibility.. beyond that, they can take it up with the guy behind me.

The exception is when I see someone pull onto a shoulder, on-ramp, or exit-only lane to bypass traffic. Happens a ton on I-10 WB between College and Acadian. People will come from I-10 at the split, cross 2 lanes of traffic to get into the College Drive on-ramp lane (knowing it ends), then block the Acadian exit-only lane waiting to get back over.

Those people can get fricked. If I’m waiting to get off at Acadian, I’ll run your arse into the wall before I let you squeeze in front of me just to stop because you need to merge again.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:50 am to
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So basically it’ll be handy when most cars are self driving, but for now, it’s just a rationalization for drivers who want to speed in the front and get pissed room isn’t made for them at the very front, not even attempting to merge while moving.



So basically you don't want let people merge.

If it's a situation where a zipper merge is supposed to occur, as the non merging vehicle, it's not difficult to let someone in.

It doesn't take a perfect execution from a group of self driving cars. It takes non mergers who aren't downright retarded, to drive properly and let people in.

Let's just be honest, people who are anti zipper merge are people with a complex about people getting in front of them.
Posted by TigerDat
Member since Aug 2010
8130 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:51 am to
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The exception is when I see someone pull onto a shoulder, on-ramp, or exit-only lane to bypass traffic.


Yes I agree frick those assholes
Posted by saintsfan1977
Arkansas, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
9874 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 12:54 pm to
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IF and that'd a big IF people would drive correctly and use all available space and keep one car length between them so lanes can merge at the merge point, then traffic would keep moving but assholes like you refuse to allow that to happen. So we have stopped trqffic


Then it'll never work because everyone in the right lane sees everyone passing them up in the left lane and start thinking frick letting them in
They're sitting in traffic and have to let everyone in that they watched pass them up a half mile. You're gonna get a bottleneck. Zipper merging works if everyone does it but nobody wants to let people in. It's a cluster frick. They make the shoulder a lane if there's one and keep 2 lanes moving.
Posted by DakIsNoLB
Member since Sep 2015
1234 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 12:59 pm to
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Then it'll never work because everyone in the right lane sees everyone passing them up in the left lane and start thinking frick letting them in
They're sitting in traffic and have to let everyone in that they watched pass them up a half mile. You're gonna get a bottleneck. Zipper merging works if everyone does it but nobody wants to let people in. It's a cluster frick. They make the shoulder a lane if there's one and keep 2 lanes moving.



Yep. I may merge over early, but then I don't let anyone in until I get to the merge point. I want the other lane to go all the way to the end.
Posted by This Far
Chicago
Member since Jul 2016
77 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 1:16 pm to
If I have to hit my brakes to let some 11th-hour jackleg in front of me, then they’re doing it all wrong. If you just merge in somewhere along the way without causing chaos, then do it! You really don’t have to be first. You’re not in 3rd grade.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72922 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 1:32 pm to
What I don't like is when I let someone over, then they let someone over, then they let someone over, all because they think they are being nice but they are fricking over the people behind them.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52895 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:02 pm to
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If it's a situation where a zipper merge is supposed to occur, as the non merging vehicle, it's not difficult to let someone in.



You are missing the point: You have a finite passage through the bottle neck. If you have someone SLOWING the stream through that bottleneck, then congrats, you aren't increasing efficiency overall, you just have YOU getting through faster.

The ideal for the zipper merge is to merge as close to the bottleneck as you can, but never at. If you have to stop, then you have failed at the zipper merge, and its not the driver's in the moving lane's fault. Its yours.

Again, it only works if the lane thats blocked is utilized, but they are constantly merging in that last quarter mile or so.

Lost count of the number of assholes ive seen floor the gas to the blockage, sometimes passing on the shoulder to get there, stop, and then turn on the blinkers.

News flash: thats not a zipper merge.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3211 posts
Posted on 10/30/23 at 11:37 pm to
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From cutting ahead in line? What's the proper etiquette.


The proper etiquette is to give a big ole frick YOU to the retards riding the centerline because they think they're doling out some justice to all the people they think are trying to cut(disrespek) them. They don't own that piece of road.

If everyone just stays in their lane(this is important), you should be able to execute a beautiful zipper merge and the roadway is fully utilized. Peak effeciency.

Far too novel of a concept for most of the dipshits on the road.

This post was edited on 10/30/23 at 11:38 pm
Posted by BeachDude022
Premium Elite Platinum TD Member
Member since Dec 2006
36406 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:10 am to
Tried to start a zipper merge last week. People got pissed and wouldn't let me in. I rode the shoulder for a quarter mile until I gave up and let them pass me until there was an opening. Assholes.
Posted by Maytheporkbewithyou
Member since Aug 2016
13862 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 11:39 am to
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Zipper merge


If they're going faster than I am, I adjust my speed to let them get in front of me easier.

No sense in being an a-hole for something that doesn't really matter.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52895 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

So basically you don't want let people merge.



Incorrect.

Every SINGLE graphic in the studies you folks love to cite for the efficiency boost shows the zipper seamlessly integrating in preexisting spacing between cars. If the car doesn’t leave the space, or has to stop additionally to make it, then the advantage is lost.

Also, I always let one car in front of me in those situations.

But I don’t pretend that it makes the system work better to have me stop entirely for the 10 seconds to let it happen.

I’m sure the pro-zipper folks prob think they have right of way to merge……and that’s one place where the zipper fails in a human context.

quote:

It doesn't take a perfect execution from a group of self driving cars. It takes non mergers who aren't downright retarded, to drive properly and let people in.


It does to get the efficiency boost.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 12:09 pm
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
108066 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:12 pm to
Zipper merge is put in place to speed up the merge and get past the construction. It is designed for cars to take it to the end. People feeling the need to block the designed affect are immature, and causing more traffic and hazards.
Posted by This Far
Chicago
Member since Jul 2016
77 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 12:51 pm to
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Every SINGLE graphic in the studies you folks love to cite for the efficiency boost shows the zipper seamlessly integrating in preexisting spacing between cars. If the car doesn’t leave the space, or has to stop additionally to make it, then the advantage is lost.


This. Every time someone in the dominant lane has to hit their brake, it creates a slinky effect for everyone behind him. This is why there are backups. So many pro-zipper mergers are clueless how to do it right.
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6080 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 1:48 pm to
Literally dozens of videos on this.

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